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This district has been heavily red for the last 60 years

One of the focal points of the campaign from the dem who won was opposition to musk

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This IS HUGE. It really shows what swing state voters are thinking. It’s great sign for dems

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Indeed. this was also a solid republican district. dems need to hammer Elon Musk and Trump are destroying the economy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, and fucking everything else

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck the Dems - I'm hoping it's a great sign for whatever party comes out of Bernie and AOC's current tour. (I know I don't really understand how things work there and I'm being optimistic talking about future elections.)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's way more feasible for progressives to take over the existing Democratic party like MAGA took over the GOP.

If you think things are rigged inside the democratic party, it's even worse for third parties.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

In anything like a competitive district, a progressive Independent challenger is more likely to split the vote for a milquetoast Democratic incumbent and hand the seat to the Republican challenger. Working within the Democratic primary system has its challenges, but also clears the field so that there's one clear choice for left-leaning voters rather than two.

First past the post sucks ass, but it's what we've got to live with until we've got enough power to change it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I remember when that was the plan in 2016

That turned out great!

We meed to burn down the Duopoly, remove every boomer from power, and never look back.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, a lot of the shitty people in Congress are GenX. I'm so disgusted with my generation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

We need a progressive tea party

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I can accept that. I guess what really meant was fuck the current Dems that are so clearly complicit in whatever the GOP is doing and maybe even more Zionist. If they can be overhauled to the point they can, and do, get big money out (repeal citizens united), repair all the gerymandered districts etc. then sure - go Dems. I know that's a huge ask, but it's what's needed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It isn't though it just shows what we already know. Voters want change

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We knew that? People seem pretty disengaged overall

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Disengaged and dissatisfied. People are currently particularly swayed by anti establishment rhetoric and elections keep swinging back and forth on a macro scale

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Easy when Musk isn't rigging the voting machines

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Exactly. State senator. The Wisconsin Supreme court where he has skin in the game will likely be another story.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

On the one hand: Fucking A

On the other hand: We have a trump admin who is already pushing to get rid of elections and a Democrat Senate minority leader who actively refuses to fight. It is hard to care too much when we actively won't use the seats we have TO fight until it is way too late.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's great but I really wish a new progressive party would come out of the ashes.

Dreams I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I really don't get the calls for a new party in the US lately. You've seen how to get a new movement win in a two party system with the tea party. A complete new party would just split the vote.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ranked choice or STAR voting would potentially fix that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Of course a different system would have different opportunities. You just won't have that before a progressive movement is in power.

[–] lmmarsano 3 points 1 month ago

So would magic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It was called the “tea party”, any new movement within the democratic party will need to differentiate itself in name to make significant headway, so we will probably get a “new party” just as a division in the old one expressed through the primary system (assuming our democracy makes it that far)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Very good sign.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

wish they can get rid of fetterman, but he wont be eligble til the next election.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Let’s keep that ball rolling

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Good! If Democrats can KEEP UP The Moment then they Might be able to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when they Win a HUGE MARGIN OF VICTORY in the Midterms!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Dems are pressurable. Republicans are lot harder to pressure

Elections decide who you have to work with

They alone won't fully fix things, but they can set the stage for progress

It's going to take both voting and directed pressure to change things

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Republicans are lot harder to pressure

Republicans caved to the Tea Party and a catch phrase. They are ridiculously easy to pressure.

The Democrats have been fighting against their own constituency for decades, pushing Hillary over Obama in 2008, Hillary over Bernie in 2016, and whatever you want to call that clusterfuck last year.

Hopefully, we can finally get a Guillotine Party to do to the Democrats what the Tea Party did to the GOP.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Republicans got the Tea Party. Democrats are getting the Guillotine Party.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Under what proof are Democrats pressurable?

Like, actually.
One party seems to be have actually adjusted its party to match the citizens requests and has an average age of their house leaders over 20 years younger.
Not for the better but change happened. Where is that present in the DNC?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Schumer is proof they are pressurable!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Very true. His donors apply pressure all the time!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

get out here with that defeatist bs.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Look, Pennsylvanians know a thing or two about election a representative, that representative having a personality changing life event, and then that representative going on to fix absolutely nothing and in fact make things measurably worse.

But even still they did the math, calculated the risk:reward of their vote, held their nose and cast their ballots.

Just as I have for every election my whole life.

You want real, meaningful change? Support progressive candidates at the local level who will be in a position to get rid of first past the post voting. The two party system that enables the Democrats' laziness is a direct, organic result of FPTP. Thankfully how voting works is legislated at the local level, meaning if we can get some form of Rank Choice then suddenly Democrats are going to have to care A LOT because it'll be easier to vote them out without simultaneously voting a Republican in.

But until we can fix the source of the problem (FPTP) damage mitigation will continue to be the name of the game, and it'll be a game we will eventually, inevitably lose.

We CAN fix it, but we need less cynicism* and apathy.

*I didn't say "no cynicism" that'd be terrible, I don't think I could get through the day without a cup or two... But everything in moderation, ya know?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

We did that locally, then the dems teamed up with the GOP to defeat all of that, and then helped elected GOP county seats.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

FPTP allows it, but FPTP is not the cause. We have had progressive politics in this country before, even with FPTP.

The cause is party leadership that is completely out of touch with reality.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

But Trump won every swing state!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Wow in 2 years maybe you'll show trump you like him less... What a victory

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

unsurprising really.