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I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I thought about publishing a Terraform module one time that spins up a cheap VPS, installs OpenVPN and then gives you a config with a certificate. You could run it for just a few hours at a time, and use destroy when you're done. But then I got really bored because I have ADHD.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Not a VPN, but you may also want to look into I2P.

https://i2pd.website/

https://proprivacy.com/privacy-service/guides/i2p-guide

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FNp0TRDG0BQ

Basically, a p2p protocol for the entire internet.

Its considerably more complicated to set up than most modern VPNs, where nowaday's its usually as simple as install an app with a GUI, verify some settings and you're good to go, and i2p is also quite slow...

... but its totally free, and you can torrent over it, and as far as I know, if you've set it up properly, it is basically undetectable by ISPs, due to how it uses 'garlic' routing: basically, a whole bunch of users net requests are encrypted, anonymized, and then smashed into a big packet... so an ISP would have to untangle all of that for every packet, and afaik, none of them have figured out how.

I2P would obviously be horrible for watching streaming content though, snail speed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love Mullvad, but if you need P2P its not the best option. If you just need a VPN, though, its amazing. Today I just switched to AirVPN and am running it on Arch through Eddie. Have my qbittorrent set up to only allow connections through Eddie and just forwarded my first port. I'm very happy with it.

I think the only downside is that I could get Mullvad for 5eur a month on a month by month basis. AirVPN is 7eur or 15eur for three months, so I have to lock into the three months to get the same price.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Worth noting that Italy (location of airvpn) hates vpns and is constantly fucking around with them, to the point air doesn't even actually operate in Italy to preserve users privacy. Right now, theres no immediate risk, but it' is worth keeping an eye on the political situation in Italy regarding VPN laws

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I did read this somewhere before. I just have to take my chances at the moment. My other option was Windscribe, but unless you're paying for a year+ their prices are astronomical.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah I use airvpn myself, its just worth throwing that info out for full transparency/disclosure

[–] [email protected] 114 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Good choice for privacy, not so much for piracy. They removed their port forwarding feature a while ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

IMHO if you don't have a globally-reachable address or forwarded port, you are not really a participant of the internet, you are just a receptacle xD

One service I never see mentioned is OVPN. They have a 1-to-1 feature parity with mullvad and were an easy drop-in replacement when mullvad closed their ports:

  • wireguard
  • port forwarding
  • no usernames/emails/registration, only account numbers
  • crypto payments/cash in the mail
  • same price as mullvad
  • multiple device keys
  • multihop
  • no bandwidth limits
  • setup guides
  • status dashboard

I used mullvad for years, sad to see them go, and all my scripts basically worked without any change other than the server addresses/public keys. Only downside is they don't have as many users so not as many servers. I wish more people would join up so I get more IPs to choose from :D

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mullvad is so great in a vacuum, but it seems like every other website has you writing out a captcha or blocking you outright exclusively because you're on mullvad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes! And on top of it, embedded YouTube is also starting to block access

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I've decided I'm not using websites that block mullvad anymore. I'm talking about a hard block like reddit does and not a captcha (captcha is fine by me).

If they're doing that much trouble to prevent me from using a VPN they must me doing some pretty shady shit with my data.

I will not move to another VPN because of all VPNs I feel Mullvad respects my privacy most.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I've used AirVPN for this exact setup and it works great. The port forwarding is static and doesn't change once setup. I switched to proton because it was convenient, I was already paying for ProtonMail et all, so I dropped the extra VPN subscription when it renewed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I'll add another recommendation for Windscribe. I've had a lifetime subscription since 2017 and have never had issues. I use it for normal internet usage pretty much daily and the occasional torrenting.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi

If you just want the tunnel encryption you can try hosting a VPN on your own home network. It's what I do since I don't need to spoof my location.

You are asking in the piracy community so I'm assuming you're also using it to torrent (which a home VPN won't help with) but you didn't specifiy so I'm not sure

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

What's going on with Proton the company?

Edit: ah fuck, thanks for the replies. Sigh.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Their CEO praised Trump/the Republican Party. He got widely criticised for it. Proton released a damage control statement but later deleted it after it made things worse.

People are now moving away from Proton as a result.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It would be more accurate to say some people are moving away. The majority of their users are quite happy where they are.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"Time to find a CEO who has yet to publicly express their fascist sympathies..."

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Just FYI, the majority of Proton AG (which includes all Proton services) is owned by a non-profit body called the "Proton Foundation". This are headed by a board of 5 members, including Andy (CEO) and Tim Berners-Lee (the literal father of the internet as we know it).

Proton is fine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (12 children)

routing traffic through Israel is not fine.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Then don’t do that? You have your choice of servers.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Andy yen praising trump is one thing and I kind of don’t care about that so much. What I do care about is how proton practices predatory sales to cash in on FOMO. Or if you subscribe for one month it’s an auto renewing subscription. Or that the best rates are if you sign up for a year. It’s weird for a not-for-profit structure to do billing like this

Mullvad doesn’t play games. A flat price and you get what you pay for.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The CEO said that Trump chose a great pick and sided with Republicans and there was a firestorm over it, he doubled down on his position through the official Proton channel.

https://archive.ph/2yWGz

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just throwing in another voice for PIA. Their corporate owners may be questionable, but I've been with them since before they sold out and have never heard a peep from my ISP for seeding terabytes of torrents. They don't keep logs, and they are audited to prove it regularly.

EDIT: They also have port forwarding, but not for every exit server.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago (2 children)

AirVPN, IVPN, Mullvad, Windscribe

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (7 children)

The requirement for port forwarding narrows that down to AirVPN and Windscribe, which is an unfortunately small set of choices.

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