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Among the reciprocal tariff levels Trump announced:

China: 34%

European Union: 20%

South Korea: 25%

India: 26%

Vietnam: 46%

Taiwan: 32%

Japan: 24%

Thailand: 36%

Switzerland: 31%

Indonesia: 32%

Malaysia: 24%

Cambodia: 49%

United Kingdom: 10%

Rest of the world: 10%

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

In case anyones looking at this and asking question like "Why has Cambodia been dunked with 49% when they're clearly not a competitor to the US" or "Why is Trump claiming that the European Union has a 40% tariff on the US when the actual mean tariff on US goods into the EU is less than 5%", here's your answer to how these figures have been calculated.

  • Take the US trade deficit with a given country (eg. China is $292bn)
  • Take the total good imported by US (for China that's $439bn)
  • Divide the first figure by the second! Why? Who knows! It's a number! Less talk more first grade arithmetic (if you're still following that gives us 67%)
  • That gives us a random number which we'll pretend is that country's tariff of US goods even though it's completely unrelated in every way. We'll divide it by two to get the new tariff rate for imports from that country. Why? Honestly if you're still expecting there to be an answer to that question I'm wondering if you've been following. (that gives us 34%, well actually it gives us 33.5% but I'm not sure the Trump administration understands the idea of fractions so we'll just round it up from there)

The "reason" behind this is that Trump seems to think trade deficits are really bad, which is bad news for the US because it's had a trade deficit for the last 50 years. We'll ignore the fact that based on GDP it's been the wealthiest country in the world for that time though.

Anyway, just to give everyone an idea of how completely, utterly unrelated to anything meaningful that figure is, let's take Cambodia. The country is very poor compared to the US so can't afford to buy anything that the US manufacters (Cambodians aren't driving round in Teslas or IMessaging each other). Some US companies use it for clothing manufacture because labour is cheap in Cambodia (see the previous bit about Cambodia being much poorer than the US). This means that Cambodia imports close to nothing from the US compared to what it exports, giving it a close to 100% trade deficit, so we wind up with a 49% tariff on Cambodia.

I genuinely don't understand the mindset that looks at the US's explotation of cheap labour in Cambodia and interprets the US as the victim in that relationship, but hey-ho maybe I'm just not biggly-smart enough to understand the 4d chess moves at play here. . .

Reference (because unfortunately none of what I said was made up and that geniunely is the calculation): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/trumps-idiotic-and-flawed-tariff-calculations-stun-economists

Edit: After making fun of Trump for not understanding the enconomy, I went and conflated per capita GDP with GDP. Doh! Now corrected.

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[–] [email protected] 325 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Is he using a random number generator?

[–] [email protected] 97 points 4 days ago (1 children)

bamboozle them with bullshit

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The following quote from ChrisO_wiki on bsky

"@chriso-wiki.bsky.social Just figured out where these fake tariff rates come from. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us." Just about sums it up.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, it's half the tariff those countries place on American goods. Or so he claims. I have no idea where those numbers come from.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He doesn't understand what VAT is.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 3 days ago (6 children)

He doesn't understand anything. Here's what he said about income taxes and tariffs today.

They established the income tax so that citizens, rather than foreign countries, would start paying the money necessary to run our government

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago (5 children)

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Ironically crashing the economy is one of the best things you can do to slow down climate change

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lost my job this week at an engineering firm in green tech. Let it burn.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Conveniently left Russia out. I wonder why.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Russia and North Korea.

It's official. We are the baddies now.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 225 points 3 days ago (4 children)

“our country has been looted, pillaged, raped, plundered”

by other nations selling their goods to us cheaply, and by them accepting our Dollars that cost us nothing to make for it!!

I don't think Trump understands the benefits and privileges for USA of having the top international reserve currency.
But maybe if he ruins it quick enough, he may find out?

Play stupid games and win stupid prices.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Play stupid games and win stupid prices.

He is playing Vlad Putin 8D Chess, not Donald Trump 1D Checkers. https://lemmy.world/post/27627662/16165977 This was all planned in 2013.

Introduction to the Kremlin media techniques of year 2014

  1. Peter Pomerantsev September 9, 2014: Russia and the Menace of Unreality. How Vladimir Putin is revolutionizing information warfare

  2. Adam Curtis, BBC, December 31, 2014: On The "Contradictory Vaudeville" Of Post-Modern Politics - "What this film is going to suggest is that that defeatist response has become a central part of a new system of political control. And to understand how this is happening, you have to look to Russia, to a man called Vladislav Surkov, who is a hero of our time. Surkov is one of President Putin's advisers, and has helped him maintain his power for 15 years, but he has done it in a very new way."

  3. Book reading from December 5, 2014 on the subject by Peter Pomerantsev

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

Me, checking what the damage is: oh good, my European defence stocks went up 2 to 4 percent today while the American stocks are tanking, happy days!

Me, after thinking on it a bit longer: oh God, my European defence stocks went up while the world economy is taking a hit, better get ready for whatever's coming

[–] [email protected] 207 points 4 days ago (6 children)

A lot of people’s lives are about to get more expensive… again.

Is this winning?

[–] [email protected] 123 points 4 days ago (2 children)

China and Vietnam are producing a lot of the low cost every day items people use. It's going to hit the lower income people the hardest. Thank goodness I'm in Canada.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 days ago

Mainly American people's lives. He's basically making everything more expensive in USA that is not made in USA, but most things made in USA are dependent on imported parts, fertilizers, components, raw materials etc... This is going to be a mess to witness

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago

Putin's bitch trying to further destabilize the world for daddy.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Pls 100% world wide tax.

I like to go straight to the "Find Out" phase.

👀

(Remember, when the great depression happens, its our duty to eliminate nazis)

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

isn't this just going to fuck up the US economy rather than meaningfully affect any other country? you don't fucking produce anything worth a shit anymore.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trump has no idea how the economy works, his wealth is propped up by Russian oligarchs laundering money through his assets.

This move is almost certainly being directed to him through foreign agents the traitor has as advisors (though they consider themselves handlers) on behalf of Putin and other regimes hostile to the US who back door'd their way into the situation through his greed and lack of morality.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Did you happen to notice the one country not on the list?

Here I’ll give you a hint it’s name starts with an “R” and is run by a man who’s name starts with a “P” and is currently at war with a country that starts with a “U”…

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Wait what?

President Paul Kagame of Rwanda declared war on Uganda?

~/s~

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't have a ton of "the court is wrong" opinions, but Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution flatly gives Congress the responsibility of regulating trade and imposing tariffs. The President just doesn't (shouldn't) have the authority to change rates. The executive needs to execute the will of the Legislative branch.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Been browsing the conservative subreddit this morning just to see what they all are thinking. There is a surprising number of "This is a terrible idea" comments but its also funny seeing a whole bunch of republicans who now suddenly like higher taxes, inflation and stock crashes.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Boycott the USA. Do not consume American products. Do not travel to the US. Cancel your subscriptions, find alternatives or pirate their software and media. Make Americans tourists feel unwelcome.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (16 children)

I mean, this will suck in rhe short term, but these companies will exit the U.S. market if it gets to be uneconomical, and we'll be fucked, not them. Trump's I Am sO sMaRt comments all the time will make him look like an even bigger idiot than he already does.

If we actually want manufacturing in the U.S., give companies incentives to do business here. This is the opposite of incentives.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think these are reciprocal. I think these are unilateral, and when countries respond, their tariffs will be reciprocal. The distinction is very important. This is a problem created by Trump, not by other countries. You don't get to choose false language to describe it that shifts the blame.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

GlObAL ReCESSioN

Can they fucking stop threatening us like we’re stupid children? Life has been getting more expensive worldwide for a decade and we all know now who is to blame.

I don’t fucking care about new toyota prices in the us, I want to buy potatoes in poland. Fuck off with your recessions and bullshit economies.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Trump clearly has some feelings about Vietnam. He used his “bone spurs” excuse to avoid being sent over there back in the day. Lmao

What a pussy

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Curious that Russia is missing

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Thanks for typing out the percentages, so far I've only seen emotional news reports about it without any detailed info.

Are these tariffs on ALL goods from a certain country? Eg, does 34% on China mean 34% on ALL Chinese goods or just certain ones like cars?

Well, one of two things will happen now.

  • The US economy will recede by roughly 30% over the coming years (classified by economists as "catastrophic collapse")

  • It will turn out that trade was "fake and gay" all along and autarky is the way to go, despite centuries of historic lessons to the contrary.

Take your pick.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 days ago (4 children)

And just like that every American good costs significantly more.

If your family income is less than about $200,000, congratulations, your tax rate has at least doubled.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Why the fuck is our media so bad that they blindly accept Trump's bullshit line that the tariffs are "reciprocal"? Are they just stupid or have they been paid off? Do they not know the meaning of "reciprocal" or are they just too fucking lazy to question the White House's rhetoric even a little bit?

The state of the United States makes me sick. We're being robbed blind by the oligarchy in broad daylight while the media gleefully amplifies the administrations lies.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

In 2020, I thought Covid might crash the economy. You know, history repeats itself. But oh, was I wrong; it'll all be caused by a single fuckwit which deserves to be tortured.

Fuck anyone involved in making the world a worse place. I hope they all die in fucking agony.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The trump regime was designed to TANK the US economy so that stocks, businesses, and industries can be bought by billionaires at rock bottom prices.

All is going according to plan.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago (8 children)

So is the plan to drive the cost of everyday essentials so high that virtually everyone bankrupts and the billionaires buy all of our assets for pennies on the thousand dollars? That is all I can come up with trying to make a scenario where this has some coherent objective.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (5 children)

US dollar in absolute freefall. Thursday is going to be a bloodbath when the market opens.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They'll be reverted as soon as he gets some flattery and palm greasing from the right people.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think it's important to note that this will kill a great many small businesses.

Larger companies have a larger supply in giant warehouses. Small businesses order smaller quantities more often. They get fucked sooner with the costs going up. If a customer wants to support that small business they sometimes would have to pay twice what they could get it for from a larger company. This is a deep consolidation of wealth.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago (4 children)

This gold from wallstreetbets:

Soooo is the tariffs charged to the United States really a ratio of the trade imbalance?? For example Vietnam imported roughly 14.6 billion in goods from the United States, and we imported around 146 billion, so thus they have decided tariffs are 90% to the United States…thus we are putting a tariff on them of half of that…which means we are literally tariffing the goods we either a)need more or b) get more efficiently at a higher rate? That may be the absolute dumbest way to create a tariff policy I could imagine if that is the case…which it looks to be.

https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1jpzhje/tariff_chart_released/ml476s7/

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I'd love to open the news one evening and not feel like we're another step closer to the apocalypse.

Honestly, fuck Trump. Where my Luigis at?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Fuck Cambodia specifically. Trump probably got a bad VD from there at some point.

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