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[–] [email protected] 95 points 2 years ago (2 children)

“Until the age of 18, I believe you belong to your parents,” this is a disgusting view.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is the start of the idea that a man owns this wife and the rest of his family. This is just the start of the domination and control for hierarchial power. Keep this in mind for all the talk about school choice

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In a world where every man is a rapist, and every woman is incapable of fending for herself... "protection", control, hierarchical power, are just pieces that fall into place by themselves.

Once inequality gets entrenched as a fact, nothing good can come out of it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

More like a reactionary return to than the the start of.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ah yes the Ace community, famous for it’s acts of bondage. Yup the those asexuals, really out here tying each other up and whipping each other completely non-sexually just for shits and giggles.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

...many asexual people still have a libido and might experience sexual desire. Asexual people might still masturbate or have sex. After all, sexuality doesn't always mean someone doesn't enjoy sex. It just means they don't experience sexual attraction.

https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-asexual

BDSM doesn’t have to be sexual in nature—some people like it for the power only.

https://www.self.com/story/bdsm-facts

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

I know, I’m asexual, I’m just pointing out that the I and the A which are so often added and that the plus is often substituted for to cover even more bases, are really weird things to associate with BDSM.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Kinda missed the point there dude.

Axs, nbs, and the rest of the soup aren't well known for their spanking proclivities

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Eh. I'm in the ace umbrella and I'd be honored to be associated. One of the most important tenants of BDSM is consent. And if everyone is consenting, I won't be forced into situations I'm uncomfortable with. These people probably associate BDSM with Fifty Shade of Gray, which the BDSM community, last I checked, hates with a burning passion because it's very nonconsensual.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

r/BDSM_Aces would like to have a word with you. :)

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Mmmm i hear those G's promote butt stuff. Better remove that one too. And the Q's a slur don'tcherknow. And better take out the T, i hear they bust into women's toilets wildly waving their penises.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And why don't we add an "S" for straight in order to not exclude anyone? After removing the letters we remain with LBS which doesn't sound bad, it looks like a household brand...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Oh, the B can also promote butt stuff so let's remove that one as well. The L takes away from the S men so we should remove it so everyone gets an equal share. Ahhh, there we go. S. The acronym is complete.

What do you mean we're right where we started?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I don't know what world you're living in, but God I wanna live there too.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Today i learned that, despite being a cis man who is exclusively attracted to women, this city council considers me to be a part of the LGBTQ+ community

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

had to be removed due to his personal discomfort...

Waiting for the next politician to feel personal discomfort with one of the other letters. Is the bar really that low?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Even if it did stand for BDSM, so what?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Folsom street represeeeeeent!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So what? If BDSM folks feel represented by LGBTQ+ they have every right to be part of it. What's wrong with BDSM anyway?

Not like LGBTQ+ promotes anything at all besides that it is okay to be who you are.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I feel like the vast majority of LGBTQIA2S people would be upset by zoophiles and pedophiles* feeling included by LGBTQ+. Personally I don't care if they're included or not. They're definitely GSRMs imo, so I don't think they need to be included in LGBTQ+. But a lot of them have the same issues of realizing their sexual attraction is not like their peers at some point and dealing with the fear of ostracization and violence if people found out what thoughts they have.

*Not to be confused with people who practice bestiality or child molestation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How did we get here? What a bad take. Consent is obviously required, it's that simple.

Neither children nor animals can consent therefore they are not welcome in any shape or form. This also excludes rape and other forms of abuse from any LGBTQ+ space/group/community.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Which is why I explicitly excluded those who engage in sexual acts with children or animals?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You did not, you said that you do not mind or care. No one wants them there except the pedophiles themselves.

The people have problems, but they need other help than acceptance. It does not work, it is abuse and the LGBTQ+ community always clearly distanced themselves from them.

Implying any connection at all is dishonest and a huge disservice to all people under the LGBTQ+ umbrella. Hence it is a terrible take.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To quote myself:

*Not to be confused with people who practice bestiality or child molestation.

I don't care if people eventually include them or not. I'm not backtracking on that. The two statements aren't contradictory. I'm also not saying I want that (I don't). Its simply not something I care about. Ultimately, language is whatever people want it to do be, so caring about changes is a waste. Even if it makes the language less useful or more confusing.

But sexual or romantic attraction to a specific group of people certainly has more to do with other categories of sexual or romanic attraction to specific groups of people than preference for BDSM. And even attraction to a non-human group of beings is a more similar. I'm not implying a connection though. My point is that they are separate and there's even less reason to make kink a letter in the LGBTQ+.

No one wants them there except the pedophiles themselves.

I think most of them consider themselves separate as well. Its just homophobes who want to group them together.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bad take. No one thinks these people are part of the comm in any way shape or form outside someone terminally online who has never seen grass

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

That's my point though. We already exclude some sexual and romantic orientations. I'm not suggesting we change that or suggesting anyone (except homophobes) are doing that.

My point is LGBTQ+ isn't just a catchall for everything. I don't see why sex-act preference (or non-sexual BDSM/kink preference) would be included. Just like it doesn't include people simply for being jewish, neurodivergent, or every other marginalized group.

Still, even if LGBTQ+ did include the kink community, that still does not justify removing city-sponsored LGBTQ+ pride support. If anything, they should more explicitly state their support for kink community.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

"We accept you for who you are after we have judged you"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Y'all do my eyes deceive me or is the "L" using the lipstick lesbian flag instead of the sunset?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Looks like the right one to me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I honestly have no view about this I just think there are a thousand more important problems than what attracts you and what you do in bed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Gonna feel silly when they find out all the other letters represent BDSM too. Every community has a sub-set of people interested in BDSM. Cishet ppl too. :/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Are we not doing the I in LGBTIQ+ anymore?

Has anyone checked with the Intersex crowd?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Who gives a fuck, even if it is? The people in this article are obviously homophobic but are cowards about going the whole way. BDSM isn't like that scene from Pulp Fiction. And BDSM is probably much, much more prevalent per 100k people as a straight thing, on raw numbers alone. And that's fine as well. Stop being so curious about what people are into. It's boring af.