cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/28140949
Why does "violent drug addicts with severe mental illness" mean somehow they shouldn't be helped anyways?
this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2025
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Wild claim, considering Musk is one of the most violent drug addicts who has ever lived.
I wonder what we should call a violent drug addict, convicted of inciting insurrection, living in housing paid for by the public ?
He is so fucking incoherent from all the ketamine it isn't funny.
Homeless: without a home.
Weird how he’s lying again. I’ve been there, and I can promise this fuckwit that not having a roof or food in the middle of winter in a city where the stoplights literally freeze is not some kind of illusion. That being prodded away from a public bench in sub-zero temperatures so you can shamble a few blocks whilst the sleep in your eyes freezes, over and over for weeks, so you can’t get more than an hour sleep at a time for months, isn’t the holiday he thinks it is.
Jesus christ, I bob my head to the surface for this? It’s like he’s not even trying to be relatable now.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Elon is correct. Should we not be helping people with severe mental illness?
I can’t speak for Elon (and will not defend him) but Kyle (from Secular Talk) is dramatically underestimating the problem by tossing out the $20 billion figure. You can’t just throw a bunch of money at a person with severe mental illnesses and addictions and just expect them to be okay.
The state of California has spent over $24 billion on homelessness since 2019 yet the number of homeless people in the state has grown by 20%. Obviously they aren’t spending the money wisely in a manner that would maximize reduction of homelessness, but Kyle didn’t specify how the money should be spent either. Perhaps that’s actually the hard problem: how do you spend the money in the way that would be most effective?
He is a literal NAZI! So he wants mentaly ill to suffer for losing the gene lottery!
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TIL Elon Musk is homeless.
Not allowing billionaires to exist would end homelessness
tax the rich!
having been homeless…
the fuck is he talking about and who the fuck does he think he's fooling
Himself and his other techbro friends that couch surfed for a while, aka violent drug addicts with severe mental health issues.
Just more of the same from his class. Wants everyone to believe in a meritocracy, because that means he's rely great, and the people whose lifeblood he drained to get where he is aren't victims - they're just inferior. They wouldn't be where they are if they were superior like him.
Probably a guillotine wouldn't even work on him, he's so superior. Hypothetically.
Remember, they are saying what would need to be true to justify what they plan to do. This should be read as Elon declaring intent to put homeless people in camps.
the US in total is a right-wing place that thinks that "hard work" is the way of life, and anybody who doesn't adhere to that is a "drug-addict" or a psychopath.
Which is wildly ironic because billionaires don’t actually work.
*working and grifting
where grifting essentially means forcing your subordinates to work harder
Also half of all homeless people are foster kids who aged out of the system. They don't have a family to fall back on.
@Confidant6198
"secular talk" is wrong here.
Musk is an absolute psychopath without any empathy. He doesn't need any excuse to sleep at night knowing all the harm he did to the world.
By destroying USAID, this devil just threw millions of people into starvation.
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You know, even if what he's saying is half true. We HAD systems to help those mentally ill drug addicts and they got gutted. Making them, wait for it, Homeless! you prick.
A billionaire is the equivalent of a person sitting in a cafeteria who bought every piece of food in the restaurant kitchen and doesn't want to share any of it with the thousand people sitting around him even though he'll never be able to eat all the food they bought.
Owning and controlling so much wealth that you'll never be able to enjoy everything you have in a lifetime isn't a success or a sign of intelligence .... it's a mental illness. Especially when all that wealth and control could mean the life or death of thousands or millions of people everywhere.
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Depressing fact: Most of the homeless people you see acting all crazy and talking to themselves all the time behaved normally when they started being homeless. It's spending years in complete isolation, being constantly ignored by everyone around you and having no one to talk to that makes you act like this.
I wouldn’t jump to that though. Most working homeless live out of a car or couch surf, while not doing that.
Having both been homeless for a year (as in, on the streets, migrating from shelter to shelter) and also having worked for a homeless shelter system...
Yeah, most homeless either live in their cars, or couch surf, or jump from motel to motel... until their car gets repo'd, or their hosts kick them out, or they run out of money for motels.
Then, they're on the streets, like I was.
A couple years of that, even if you totally stay away from hard drugs as I did, is more traumatizing than what most soldiers go through, with the exception of an actual, repeated, stop loss style front line combat deployment where they're regularly in actual combat.
You see your friends die in your hands or right in front of you from an OD or a drive by or a mugging, you never know who you can trust, you know you may always, at any time, be assaulted or dispossesed, lose all your ids and bank cards, know that now you're sleeping outside in a blizzard tonight because you can't limp back to th shelter in time to make curfew, can't call for help because your phone was broken or stolen.
All the while, every 'normal' person just thinks you are disgusting, literally will not even look at you, much less speak to you.
I am astoundingly lucky I lasted a year. I have PTSD now, recurring night terrors, and I am still doing PT to recover from getting regularly assaulted and walking about 2000 miles in one year... its a miracle I wasn't stabbed, and I was maybe 100 feet away from eating lead in a drive by.
Took me a solid year of not being homeless to ... just be able to have an in person conversation with anyone, without having an anxiety attack, deescalation strategy and escape route pre planned.
Women on the street have it even worse.
I remember going into a trap house at one point to get one out. I will not explain to you what they had done to her.
To add into that, most homeless are just normal people that fell on hard times, you won't see them cause they don't want to be a bother. You see the crazies because... Well they're crazy. Gigantic assholes like musk assume that since you see crazy homeless people wandering outside, then obviously ALL homeless people are crazy violent lunatics. He is the smartest person in the world after all.
One of the talking points in South Africa goes like this:
The "homeless" black people that live in corrugated metal slums all have mansions that were stolen from white people and given to them by the government when apartheid ended.
They choose to live in slums to work in the cities, and go back to their mansions when they're not working. Alternatively, they don't live at their mansions because they are too lazy/dumb to actually take care of the property.
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where does he even get that idea? i never heard people refer to Elon as homeless.
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He's a violent drug addict, way more dangerous and destructive than any homeless person could be.
Elon’s very familiar with the condition of homeless drug addicts.
Whether someone is a drug addict with severe mental illness is irrelevant to whether they're homeless or not.
Do they have somewhere to live that has a permanent address? No? Then they're homeless and need help.
Obviously there's a bit of nuance with things like ProxyAddress where homeless people can have permanent addresses but still be homeless, but the gist of my point is the same! Do they have a home or not?
Liquidate Musk
Elon spouts BS all the time, but $20 billion to end homelessness is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard.
You should have some sympathy for Musk, since apparently you also like to talk out of your ass without looking into it.
https://aah-inc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/whomeless.pdf
I work serving the homeless. We spent $10 billion for one year during COVID just to include all of the students who didn't already get free school meals to have it during that time. Unless you're only providing cots and Porto-johns, that number might work as an annual figure, until inflation hits, or the numbers go up because once you offer free housing, more people will try to become eligible.
Sounds to me like you're the one talking out your ass.
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These numbers are extremely unsubstantiated. If you think giving someone $40k will permanently save them from homelessness I have a bridge to sell you.
Let’s see your study. What do you know that HUD experts don’t?
People also said you can’t solve homelessness by giving them homes, and Finland did it with ease.
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So the mentally ill deserve to be left to rot in the streets? Why else have a social safety net, if not for them?
I'm surprised he chose to express his point in this manner. Unless this is an expression of humanity from Mr Musk that we're so otherwise unaccustomed to that it's hard to recognise, then I assume he wants to persuade people to have less empathy or sympathy for homeless people, not more. This statement, taken at face value would seem to suggest that contrary to what some may think, homeless people are facing significant challenges not of their own making that have contributed directly to their circumstances.
I'm going to guess that's not how he meant it
The word Elon is a propaganda word it is a lie. It is actually Felon, which is a violent drug addict with mental illness.
Bet Elon he can't beat homelessness with 19 billions.
Bro will do it just to prove you wrong
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