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Go Read Carney's Book (www.indigo.ca)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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As the title says, you NEED to go read this guy's book if you were ever unsure about who he is as a person and if he is progressive. I started reading this yesterday and am almost a third of the way through already. The way he explains markets and economics and how they can be utilized to fight climate change and our biggest issues is fascinating.

So far I can see that this man is legit and he wants to see Canada leading the world economically and morally. We have a golden opportunity here and any fiscal conservative should see this guy as the number one guy for the job. We had our time with Trudeau laying the foundation for a lot of social justice for the next quarter century, and now Carney is here to focus more on the economy and scale it to make us a global super power. Never before have I found economics so interesting and this book of his is really opening my eyes about the history and functions of markets.

Ok, off I go to continue!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I haven't read it (may try to) but I've been pretty impressed by the way he describes the importance of harnessing markets to address climate change. (I'm of much the same opinion, markets are amazing but require government to address imbalances/incentives and straight up market failures like public goods etc.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes! This is what was so fascinating to me. He explains this very well and how we can make it profitable to advance our goals and be sustainable about it. Hence why he says that getting rid of the industrial carbon tax is a terrible idea because the EU requires it's trading partners to have some kind of carbon price in place to avoid tariffs. Pierre and the other conservatives in this country are showing their true colours to how much they are posing as "economic" minds

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely agree especially on the industrial carbon tax. I hope he slaps Polievre around with it during the debate, as not having one would yoke us even closer to the States as opposed to our friends in the EU. It's typical Polievre sloganneering instead of actually thinking through the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ouuuu that's genius! He really should say that us cancelling the industrial pricing on carbon would make us closer to the USA. That would take wind out of his sails lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I have to think that's why Carney hasn't brought it up yet. If I were managing his campaign, I would be so excited about the opportunity to let Canada watch him encounter the reality of his position live.

[+] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I’ll take another four years of neolib liberal assholes fucking us, but only because of the Americans threatening to make us part of America and seeing the con candidates be all hot and horny for helping them. I fucking hate strategic voting but I’ll do it before letting burgerlanders control us.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hate it too. But goddamn we will be so much better off with the liberals at the helm then the conservatives. They are actively ruining their image for decades to come with all this bullshit and being similar to the USA conservatives (who are batshit insane). And with the conservatives coming out guns blazing with tax cuts, spening promises and protecting all the programs the liberals and NDP put into place (dental, pharma and childcare) when they voted hard against it....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I mean I’ll do it, but I’m going to fucking complain the entire time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

As you and the rest of us should to any politician. The most important thing about not voting for Pierre is that he has openly stated that he is not against using the not withstanding clause nationally just like the other conservative premiers across the country. For shit that isn't a national emergency at all

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hey, happy cake day. Here's hoping we get proportional rep eventually.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I mean I’d love that. I feel like it’s not asking a lot at this point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish our citizens understood the practicality of this. Unfortunately we either have conservative assholes or idiot leftists both which seem to hate Democrats more than they care about making their own lives better or the lives of others better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

lol the democrats have zero interest in making your lives better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

L take lol

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

He was governor of the BoE during Brexit.... There really isn't much you can do as a governor of the national bank in such stupidity. And Canada can absolutely be a super power, our landmass, resources and technical know-how can allow us to prosper and lead on the global stage. Canada is a great example of a country of the future, where we don't rely on wars to settle differences. Carney supports childcare, dental care, boosting the GIS for seniors, pharma care, and everything the liberals did under trudeau minus the consumer carbon tax. And he's replacing it.

Canada doesn't need nuclear weapons, does Iraq ring a bell to you how the USA straight up invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of "rumors" of WMDs? And the weakest Intel? That kind of talk can gtfo

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Canada doesn’t need nuclear weapons, does Iraq ring a bell to you how the USA straight up invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of “rumors” of WMDs? And the weakest Intel? That kind of talk can gtfo

The lesson of Iraq is not develop no nukes or the USA might invade you. The lesson of Iraq is that even if you definitely don't have any WMDs the US might lie about it anyways and justify invading you with the lie.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

That being said, I think there's still an argument not to do proliferation even if it would be easier to.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He was governor of the BoE during Brexit… There really isn’t much you can do as a governor of the national bank in such stupidity.

It's kind of interesting he hasn't paid for that in any way, as far as I can tell. In a different election you might see people painting him as a supporter or at least an enabler of it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That would be so fucking whack since the governor of a national bank is apolitical. They do not and should not comment on political matters and only focus on tuning the countries fiscal mechanisms in response to political decisions. That's why Pierre yapping about "firing" the governor of our bank is a big no no for me. The financial levers of your country should never be politicised or influences by politics because that how you get Zimbabwe dollars.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Governor of a national bank is absolutely not apolitical. Stephen Harper or the British Conservatives weren't going to appoint a Marxian economist to the position no matter what kind of resume they might have. Their appointees are going to be politically copacetic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Buddy, all I'm saying is that a governor of a national bank SHOULDNT be influenced by politicians. It's not that deep

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And what I'm saying is that the governor is a politician. Economics isn't a science like physics is a science. Their decisions are going to be coloured by their ideology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The governor of a national bank is simply not a politician... They are appointed by a politician, yes. But they aren't voted in... And to say that economics isn't a science is.... Fucking bold buddy. Gotta lay off the fent and brocasts

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The governor of a national bank is simply not a politician… They are appointed by a politician, yes. But they aren’t voted in

Do politicians only exist in democratic states, then? A governor of a national bank is absolutely making political decisions. They are a politician.

And to say that economics isn’t a science

What I said was, economics isn't a science like physics is a science. It is a social science. Economists like to develop very complicated mathematical models to mask that fact, but the foundations those models are based on aren't natural laws like a physicist might work with. They are based on ideological assumptions.

Gotta lay off the fent and brocasts

Uh huh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Holy fuck man go home, read something other than Instagram comments on podcasts. The governor of a nation bank does not need to make decisions based on politics. They do not cut or raise interest rates due to politics nor should they. Look at the United States chair of the federal reserve, he won't cut rates because trump asked him to, and no politician should interfere with that.

Fent bot 9000 engage engines and gtfo of here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, a lot about political discourse is fucking whack. It has been especially bad lately, although TBH there wasn't a period in history where it was great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

can absolutely be a super power, our landmass, resources and technical know-how can allow us to prosper and lead on the global stage

I mean, sure we "can", just like many others can like Argentina or Norway... but this superpower thing is a bit tired. Let's just worry about not being pushed around instead of aiming for pushing others around - because that's what being a superpower means, really.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

He’s a traditional liberal which means not all that progressive beyond what’s popular socially.

TBF popularity is definitional for winning an election. If you want to move what's acceptable you don't primarily do that by voting.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, there was never a question of if I'd prefer Trump-lite, regardless of how lite exactly. Thanks for giving the TL;DR, though!

In his debates and speeches he's seemed neither like a pushover nor overconfident. His record makes it clear he's not stupid. Some of his policy ideas are creative and interesting. I have no further negative information, and the worst his opponents can find is that he's been involved with for-profit businesses that weren't even particularly ruthless. I don't know what he's like away from the cameras, but that's par for the course in politics until it leaks out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

His book does a great job at explaining economics and how they work. As we look forward to expanding trade and beefing up our own infrastructure to reach other markets and expancld domestically, Carney has this exactbtype of mind to handle it while also championing progressive causes like climate change and helping turning them to profitable endeavours! Truely fascinating read and even if you could get an audiobook I highly recommend

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Carney is very obviously the lesser of two evils this election but I don’t understand why Canadians are glorifying this guy. We don’t have to glorify him just because he’s better than PP and we are allowed (and should be encouraged) to say that.

At the end of the day he’s a fiscal neo-lib who maintains the status quos but with socially approachable politics (as another commenter mentioned). Nothing is changing and we’ll still miss environmental targets and additional, meaningful promises (remember the libs promised clean drinking water on all reservations??).

Just like the promise not to arm Israel, which the CURRENT government (including Carney) are actively breaking and not addressing. Article: https://www.readthemaple.com/the-liberals-are-dodging-questions-about-a-new-israeli-arms-contract

I can see from the link you posted (Indigo) that you do not avoid brands that support Israel or are listed on BDS materials, but Canadians (still!) deserve better and can do better. Not just better for the environment, but for social services, and at minimum, maybe we can stop supporting the bombing of Palestinian children, schools, and basic infrastructure.

And yet, even a bar this low has been tripped over by the Liberals.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Is Israel the question or topic here? And if it is was how did punishing Harris work out for the Palestinians. To punish Harris they elected a guy who cheers the bombings and wants more of it.

Life might not be fair but Some times the lesser of 2 evils is the best you get.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Just like I said in my other comment, Carney is very obviously the lesser of two evils, but we can all be a lot more objective and realistic about him and his policies. Just like Trudeau didn’t revolutionize the Libera party, I don’t think Carney will either. Again, PP is just abhorrent.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Clearly you've read his book🙄