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[–] [email protected] 189 points 2 months ago (6 children)

If you tried that today, someone online would come in and buy up that property. We have no defense against monetary predators like we used to.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'd think banks probably just have a reserve price these days (a minimum price they'll accept on the property).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"In other news an auctioneer was beaten to death by a mob of farmers today after not accepting a bid."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

We're gonna need more Luigis!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Exactly. Auctions usually have a starting bid.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Pretty much this. Penny auctions worked because you had to physically be in the room, which means it's far easier for your friends and neighbors with guns and other implements of violence to tell the bank rep "hey maybe you should sit this one out bud" when they show up.

You know, because of the implication.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

"Are these bidders in any danger?"

"Yes"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Mac: “It’s foolproof, dude!—nobody’ll bid when see my sweet ninja moves!”

Charlie: “Yeah, and I’ll huff some paint to really sell the unhinged vibe!”

Dee: “How will that help?”

Dennis: “Because, Sweet Dee… of the implication.”

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

~~someone~~

A multi billion dollar conglomerate you mean.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Strange, ever since that oligarch brought that land it keeps catching fire.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Sure we do. We just need a lot more of this:

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Come on down and check out your new property!

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A naive libertarian might see the anti-competitive auction as fair.

Someone with awareness of history might note the unfair laws which led to banks wresting land from farmers. Then realize that nothing was fair.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

“Hey I’ve got the papers, whether it is just or legal really isn’t my problem and I’m sorry for your situation anyway give me the farm.”

“Hey be that as it may the whole community has decided that whoever takes this farm is going to get hit with a bunch of ax-handles.”

“Unfair, injustice”

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Lol. Lmao, even.

Unfortunately, banks plan for this tactic anymore.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That's a very weird way to try to use "anymore".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (6 children)

the fact that you don't have a positive version of anymore except for approximations like nowadays is the problem. other languages have a word for "from a certain point on" that can be used in both positive and negative sense.

you have no longer which also functions like anymore but I can't think of an opposite for that either.

from now on is the only thing I can think of that can be used in both senses but that's only useful for specific times (you could say from then on too, but the then has to be specified).

there's clearly a need for it so people use anymore in a positive sense. why not.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The problem isn't the word, it's grammatical.

I'm not explaining this with proper terms as it's my first language and didn't pay attention in class as a kid but: Anymore is negative, but the verb itself needs a negating adverb. In english the correct phrase is:

Unfortunately, banks plan for this tactic now.

Which isn't an approximation. "Now" in context means exactly "from a certain point on", and is the positive version.

To grammatically use "anymore" you need to change the wording/structure altogether, and add negation:

Unfortunately, the tactic doesn't work on banks anymore

Alternatively, changing the meaning altogether for the sake of grammar:

Unfortunately, banks don't plan for this tactic anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you just elaborated on what I said. also I don't know what you mean by "it's not the word it's grammatical"—the only reason it doesn't grammatically make sense is the because of the word itself. if "mondy" was the word you could be using it either way.

I disagree that "now" is the positive version of anymore. you can't use it in past tense. you could use "by then" but I think we're possibly semantically getting further from "anymore".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They both have a meaning of "presently" with reference to a change that occured in the past.

'Now' is used when something presently is the case (positive) and 'anymore' is used when something presently is no longer the case (negative).

Anymore is in the present just as much as now is. They both require present tense verbs even though they tell you something of the past.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

anymore isn't in the present as much as now is; you can use it with literally any time frame.

he tried to do it again but they didn't fall for it anymore

she can try again but I won't fall for it anymore

I would do it again but they weren't going to fall for it anymore

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the conversation, interesting to chat about. But I've lost interest now. Have a good one!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

no worries I was running out of steam myself anyway lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To highlight why it's wrong, I just use the example of asking if the store has widgets in stock, and the clerk says, "We have any." (Compare to, "We don't have any.")

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

But your example has a glaring flaw! What if the widget store did indeed stock every widget? An excellent boast in that case.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What about have since? “Banks have since planned for this tactic”

I guess it still implies a specific time/event, but maybe it’s a little less clunky than “from then on”

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

"After that" "Now" "In current day" "That doesn't work anymore, as banks plan against it"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Since then," "thenceforth"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

nope. both specific.

banks plan for this tactic since then / thenceforth

doesn't work

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's because, in English, that tense should actually be "banks have planned". It doesn't make these options any less correct. If you want to use "banks plan", just put "now"

The idealized formulation of this sentence would be "thenceforth, banks planned for this tactic", "since then, banks have planned for this tactic", or "banks plan for this tactic now"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’ve seen this come up before. It is apparently a regional thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

What region uses anymore this way? I'm guessing a region where English isn't spoken?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Banks do this fuckin tactic now

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if there were times when someone was a terrible neighbour and the nearby farmers just refused to help. Like, say some dude who got drunk and didn't take care of his land so he had pests who infested nearby farms. Or he borrowed equipment from the neighbours and didn't return it, or returned it broken.

Imagine an auction like that where a guy thinks his neighbours are going to prevent people from bidding, but instead they bid to take his farm because they hate him so much.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Reminds me of that case of the guy getting murdered in broad daylight, and every eyewitness saying they saw nothin'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

Imagine being such a piece of work that several dozen people independently decide not to help with your murder investigation... ~~and still managing to find a wife~~

Of course that story is awful too, I should have guessed

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

and still managing to find a wife

Um... Well, he didn't exactly "find a wife" in the way most people do.

He met his last wife, Trena McCloud (1957–2012), when she was 12 years old and in eighth grade and he was 35. He raped McCloud repeatedly. McCloud's parents initially opposed the relationship, but McElroy threatened them into agreement by burning down the house and shooting the family dog.

"Relationship" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I suspect it was a small enough community that they could deal with those people without much problem.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"bid starts at X amount" is something they were too stupid for?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

Starting amounts don't apply when you have a mob of farmers willing to kill you if you don't take the 50 cents.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So, nobody bids, bank still has land they can't use and no money, auctioneer gets shot in his sleep.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Would never work today, of course. Redfin or Zillow would take any offer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Pressure to do the human thing is way harder to apply to the people making the decisions are far away and when they can hide behind faceless corporations answering to faceless investors that are also far away.

It can be done, and it has been done, but it's not really a practical long term solutions to a systematic problem.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Now every property bid has a hold and its a waste of everyone's time.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Yet another way that telecommunications have ruined the world. Can't intimidate some semisentient business casual wear headquartered in Franktown, CO and located fuck knows where

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