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https://archive.is/2nQSh

It marks the first long-term, stable operation of the technology, putting China at the forefront of a global race to harness thorium – considered a safer and more abundant alternative to uranium – for nuclear power.

The experimental reactor, located in the Gobi Desert in China’s west, uses molten salt as the fuel carrier and coolant, and thorium – a radioactive element abundant in the Earth’s crust – as the fuel source. The reactor is reportedly designed to sustainably generate 2 megawatts of thermal power.

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[–] [email protected] 278 points 1 month ago (18 children)

For anyone not familiar with thorium...

Thorium is a great nuclear fuel. Much much safer than the uranium we currently use, because the reaction works best only within a narrow temperature band. Unlike uranium which can run away, a thorium reactor would become less efficient as it overheats possibly preventing a huge problem. That means the fuel must be melted into liquid to achieve the right temperature. That also provides a safety mechanism, you simply put a melt plug in the bottom of the reactor so if the reactor overheats the plug melts and all the fuel pours out into some safe containment system. This makes a Chernobyl / Fukushima style meltdown essentially impossible.

There are other benefits to this. The molten fuel can contain other elements as well, meaning a thorium reactor can actually consume nuclear waste from a uranium reactor as part of its fuel mix. The resulting waste from a thorium reactor is radioactive for dozens or hundreds of years not tens of thousands of years so you don't need a giant Yucca Mountain style disposal site.
And thorium is easy to find. Currently it is an undesirable waste product of mining other things, we have enough of it in waste piles to run our whole civilization for like 100 years. And there's plenty more to dig up.

There are challenges though. The molten uranium is usually contained in a molten salt solution, which is corrosive. This creates issues for pipes, pumps, valves, etc. The fuel also needs frequent reprocessing, meaning a truly viable thorium plant would most likely have a fuel processing facility as part of the plant.

The problems however are not unsolvable, Even with current technology. We actually had some research reactors running on thorium in the mid-1900s but uranium got the official endorsement, perhaps because you can't use a thorium reactor to build bombs. So we basically abandoned the technology.

China has been heavily investing in thorium for a while. This appears to be one of the results of that investment. Now this is a tiny baby reactor, basically a lab toy, a proof of concept. Don't expect this to power anybody's house. The point is though, it works. You have a 2 megawatt working reactor today, next you build a 20 megawatt demonstrator, then you start building out 200 megawatt units to attach to the power grid.

Obviously I have no crystal ball. But if this technology works, this is the start of something very big. I am sure China will continue developing this tech full throttle. If they make it work at scale, China becomes the first country in the world that essentially has unlimited energy. And then the rest of the world is buying their thorium reactors from China.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago

Thanks for a thorough explanation.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Very nice explanation and only nitpicking, but saying that Thorium is much much safer than uranium implies that uranium nuclear plants are unsafe. In reality uranium nuclear power has one of the best safety records in energy production.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

Uranium reactors are for the most part very safe, and I personally think we should consider building more of them. The problem with them is when something goes wrong, it can go very very wrong contaminating a huge area. Now granted more modern reactor designs make that sort of issue much less likely, but the worst case scenario of a uranium reactor, no matter how unlikely, is still a lot worse than the worst case scenario of a thorium reactor.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You absolutely can make a nuke out of thorium-derived material (first in Teapot MET, 1955, then possibly later by India). It's not widely used because plutonium is similar and in some important ways superior material

The tradeoff in using salt as fuel/coolant is that now almost all the fission products are in soluble form, instead of nice ceramic chemically inert pellets, which makes any spill much worse, and i wouldn't say it's safer for this reason - it's different, and it's a tradeoff few thought it is worth making. We have figured out how to make PWRs not explode so it's not that big of a problem. This goes both for uranium or thorium as a fuel

The reason Yucca Mountain is needed is that nuclear waste exists, if US reversed their policy on reprocessing maybe it wouldn't fill up so quickly. It's a matter of political will

At least now, the chemical engineering for reprocessing fuel when reactor is on is not there. Maybe it'll get developed in this project, but this didn't happen yet. It all has to be weighed against existing alternatives, and it's possible to breed 233U in normal water-based reactors, so maybe there's a little reason to make MSRs in the first place. India has some thorium energy projects as well, but they're slowed down by lack of fissile material to bootstrap it (you can't fuel reactor using thorium only, it needs some fissile material)

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If true, this is a huge step! Congrats to China!

"Strategic stamina" is something that the US used to have but which has disappeared as the country just tries to catch its breath.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (3 children)

America has been strategically sitting on a couch eating strategic cheeseburgers for the past 50 years

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

America has been destroyed by the politics of the southern strategy.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

If it's true, China has energy security for the foreseeable future - as Thorium is usually found along side rare earths, and China has the largest deposits of those. More than anywhere else in the world.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Me opening the comment section knowing that its just gonna be a bunch of racism... like i get it i hate the chinese government as well but give credit to the millions of scientists and people who are actually trying to make life better on this earth. If something isnt american, it can still be nice to have.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I personally believe the CCP is doing an amazing job. Communism is working wonderfully

EDIT: Anti-communists are hilarious. "It's not communism but capitalism." And if it is communism, then it is evil because communism bad. Or some made up stuff about uyghurs or queer people.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

It's not communism, it's state-capitalism

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (25 children)

I don't think it's communism anymore but the Chinese gov are actually looking after their own citizens in my opinion. I kind wish Xi was in charge of the UK honestly.

They tend to think of everything long term and all of those projects are paying off, also Healthcare free education etc they are investing more in their own population than anyone else. US is in my opinion as UK guy pretty much done they've picked a fight that they won't win.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Their own citizens...except for LGBTQ people or uyghurs of course.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (4 children)

it should perhaps be pointed out that we originally had proposition for both reactors but we ended up with uranium reactors because the US wanted a reason to mine uranium for nuclear bombs and were well aware of the risk difference but didn't care about the potential lives being lost if something went wrong. later, the cost to develop a thorium reactor had no monetary benefits beyond generating power and keeping people safe so no country wanted to invest in it when the uranium blueprints were available, literally because of capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Blaming capitalism for every evil in the world is just dumb. Surely Stalin and Mao started their nuclear programs because of capitalism?

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Too bad we do not know which exactly thorium salt mixes they are using, what the materials facing the molten salt at high neutron fluxes are and how they fare long term, whether they use on-site constant or batched fuel reprocessing, whether they kickstarted the reactor with enrichened uranium or reactor-grade plutonium waste and other such questions.

US experiments were broken off because of materials corrosion problem.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Thorium tarnishes to olive grey when exposed to air. This makes it kinda greenish. Green is the color of stamina, so this checks out.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (22 children)

Refreshing not to see the comment section full of anti-nuclear brainlets. For a second I thought Lemmy was a Greenpeace hot-spot.

Anyway...

One good turn deserves another. If others won't follow because of good example, hopefully other countries will instead follow because of competition.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Scientific advances from China need to have outside confirmation. Because, propaganda and all that

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I cannot speak for this area of science, but in my field China's research papers, for example rock mass failure response to complex stress states, are like a god send, really quality work. This is my opinion in my field but if I had to extrapolate... Remember the Soviets with all their propaganda had amazing scientists

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who still thinks the South Chinese Morning Post is a legit source after what happened to Hong Kong needs a reality check.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

SCMP is one of the most libshit news in China

Also, chill it cracker, it's news about a reactor, we don't need your state dept. programming here

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And we certainly don’t need your tankie shit here.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Go back to whatever chudhole you came from.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Joined 2 weeks ago, spews bs & propaganda.

Also, "cracker" ?? 🥴🤣 Is this supposed to be some very dangerous insult lol

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

SCMP has always sided with mainland China on crux issues, but I've read them on and off for nearly 10 years now and have found them to be very reliable.

In fact, this is exactly what the Wikipedia page for reliable sources says about it too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Norway has a thorium reactor since 1959

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I can't find a clear source on this. Could you help? This one says 2013 http://thorenergy.no/

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the archive link, OP. Shit that site was cancerous

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