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Republicans were, though, more likely to believe Russian disinformation claims than their Democratic counterparts, with 57.6% falling for at least one Russian disinformation claim, compared with just 17.9% of Democrats and 29.5% of people who didn't identify with one particular party.

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[–] [email protected] 162 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

The headline should read "Republicans believe misinformation to an alarming degree"?

Sure the numbers aren't great for independents and democrats... but it isn't >50% bad, which clearly points to Republican ideology as brain worms.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Exactly. That's why I highlighted that portion.

~60% vs ~20% is a staggering difference. This really shows the much bigger problem of how conservatives gain power. They use the large masses of unintelligent, manipulative gullible people to get votes, and enrich themselves.

This is not freedom. This is not democracy. It's psychopaths, controlling and keeping people stupid, so they can stay in power and wealth.

Our system is so fucked.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Anyone who has ever talked to a Republican knows this. Whenever you point out half the bullshit coming out of their mouth has been debunked, they just spout some bullshit about the MSM and source being "biased". Friend, reality is biased against your 🤡 ass.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago

Literally every time. I'm so sick of giving people (conservatives) the benefit of the doubt when they talk about something I haven't heard of and realize that yes, in fact, this current issue they're crying about is also made up or wildly misinterpreted just like every other issue they've ever pretended to care about.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

The funny thing is the electoral college was created to protect us from this, but it's kinda the whole reason we're where we are.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Uh, no. The electoral college was created because the slavers wanted representation for their slaves without giving them the vote.

Edit: Source

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

No. The electoral college was created because the founders didn't trust the uneducated general population to not elect a tyrant, so the EC was supposed to be made up of educated people who wouldn't be stupid enough to vote against the best interests of the people.

It also had a bit to do with how long it took to count votes at the time.

Are you sure you're not thinking about the 3/5 compromise?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, this level of control over how the populace thinks is a step along the path toward turning human beings into livestock. I'm not fond of it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

I do think that is giving liberals and the left too much credit.

A lot of the infighting from among the left during the past election felt pretty artificial, to be perfectly honest, and most of the "Genocide Joe/Holocaust Harris" types seemed to just evaporate after the election ended. Maybe just because there was nothing really left to say after all was said and done, but I just find it hard to believe much of that discourse was in good faith. I'm surprised to read a number as low as 18%, but almost 1 in 5 still isn't nothing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

the absolute rage and betrayal felt by a non-trivial number of diverse, dem leaning coalition members was not artificial in the least and needed no outside aggitation to make it one of thousands of dem self-inflicted papercuts that bled the soul out of dem support.

my family has consistently voted against the fascist monster, but the dems have helped hand the country over to them for decades. the republicans made the monster, but the dems failed to bar the door and seal the windows. neo-liberalism (even by the most gentle definition) is imploding globally in a spectacular way.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

The very real push to vote for Trump or not vote at all due to Biden's botched (to say the least) handling of Palestine was not in good faith, though, and I saw that type of rhetoric everywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (7 children)

A lot of the infighting from among the left during the past election felt pretty artificial, to be perfectly honest, and most of the "Genocide Joe/Holocaust Harris" types seemed to just evaporate after the election ended.

They didn't go anywhere, I am one of those people, I will happily refer to Joe Biden as "Genocide Joe" for the rest of my life because of what he did in opening the door to the Palestinian Genocide. I also will keep labelling Trump, and Bush and Cheney and the whole lot of them as war criminals and in particular Trump is also even more in support of the Palestinian Genocide than Biden (which isn't a surprise to leftists that centrists think it is? Stop strawmanning the left).

Shame on you for letting the lazy narrative in your head that feels satisfying to pin on leftists become something you actually believe without evidence.

Hasan Piker making a speech to Pro-Palestinian anti-Genocide protestors from two weeks ago.

https://youtu.be/qZ-sXH2ra7k

Sure, I am sure there are Russian bots exploiting the centrist inability to understand how cataclysmic the Palestinian Genocide is for the U.S. and the world, but the centrist position of y'all just casually asking whether most of the anti-genocide voices during the run-up to the election weren't genuine is bullshit.

Do you understand how pathetic and divorced from your humanity it makes you look? This isn't a sports game where you pick teams based on what colors you like or where you are from, this is about being against genocide... of anybody anywhere.

Edit Downvote me and don't bother responding you coward who can't face up to the genocide being directly facilitated and endorsed by the U.S.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

That and all the bad faith arguments about "the Republicans did something terrible; this is all the Democrats' fault".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Sorta, but not to let the Democrats off the hook either, with their uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Chuck Schumer and his conspirators can never be forgiven for agreeing to pass the Trump budget that is now funding his agenda.

Schumer's entire argument that they should play along until Trump's approval rating hits some arbitrarily low number is infuriating, and reeks of the sort of calculated politicking where the only priority is to do whatever it takes to stay in power, rather than to do the right thing. Hope that bites him and the others who voted with him in the ass.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Republicans live in a world of lies in their Fox News + Church bubble.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Not only Americans. This is a global problem...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

But it's amplified in countries with undemocratic election systems, like first past the post. You just need a plurality of morons to fuck it up for everybody else.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

True. But even in a state with a good election system the right wing nuts are on the rise.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Enough to elect a Russian agent, twice

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

Americans Also Believe American Disinformation ‘To Alarming Degree'

Actually Americans tend to easily believe a lot of nonsense .... and have a harder time grasping reality.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

While true, American stupidity is not unique. Every nation has shown that they have tons of idiots willing to believe whatever the Internet tells them

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Yep. Poilievre, Brexit, Meloni, AFD, just off the top of my head.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

it's like our education & welfare systems have been intentionally defunded for decades to keep us in line with our ruling classes' desires and make us buy into silly groupthink ideas like american exceptionalism; but, of course, that's the not true since that can only happen in oligarchies like russia or china and, also, could never happen to us, the greatest country that the world has ever seen. /s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And are history as a nation is very white-washed, and even still it makes places like Florida have hurt feelings enough that they create laws to remove even the tiny bits of truth we actually still taught. You can't talk about black history, that is reverse discrimination! You can't talk about treating everyone fairly, that's the work of Satan's DEI program!

Using the rules/laws to further their racist/fascist views by talking in code and carefully crafted arguments that sounds "fair" to people with no critical thinking.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

An alarming amount of Americans still believe civil war disinformation and propaganda. They ain't got the critical thinking skills to deal with 250 year old shit, they sure as hell can't think past new shit

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It was alarming the first time around. It isn't now. This country is filled with blissfully stupid people.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

KGB handbook describes this in great detail. Amplify and boost the loudest, worst voices on both sides of every political and social issue, so that people hate each other and everyone thinks the worst of each other, thus embracing the worst image the other side has of each other.

Further, by making literally every issue, no matter how small, into a contentious debate where you can't tell what's real or not, the average voter or citizen just starts to tune it all out.

Why do you think the general public is abandoning science and basic liberal democracy? Why do you think people suddenly seem to not care about basic empathy or rights for fellow citizens?

They've all tuned out, they don't care anymore because everything is too stupid, too nonsensical, too contentious, so the alternative is to buy whatever the leadership says, keep your head down, and get back to work. Welcome to the end of the cold war. Victory to Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

So much of what is being flagged as "Russian disinformation" is being parroted (if not straight up propagated) by western news media, western social media, and western talking heads.

At what point does a Mercer-funded, MAGA-coded, Texas based, English language broadcast constitute American Media? Is this a "just one drop" rule, where any positive (or insufficiently negative) news item or talking point or image marks the entire operation as "Russian"? Are guys like Tim Pool and Alex Jones still Americans? Or are they Russian? Is Tucker Carlson, the son of a CIA director and a midwestern cattle-country heiress, a Presidential speechwriter and US cable news pundit and avowed Cold Warrior, a Russian? Is CNN Russian? Is Exxon Russian?

[–] borf 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

If I sing the Russian national anthem it doesn't become an American anthem because an American is repeating the words

Edit: you cant muddy the water fuckface. Russian propaganda is still Russian propaganda idiot

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

If you take money from an American businessman to go on an American TV show hosted by an American pundit with a big American flag in the background to join a conversation about how American politicians should vote on American policy, and then you finish the discussion by singing the Mexican anthem, is the entire enterprise captured by Gloria Shenbaum?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, an alarming number of Americans believe that Trump should be president. And that America is the best country in the world, and that compassion is communism.

This tells more about how gullible Americans are, and not much about the skills of unchecked Russian propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago

Fucking pathetic.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago

It probably sounds so familiar to fox viewers

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Their methodology involves asking people a bunch of questions and then if they don’t get 100% correct they’re counted as believing misinformation. Putting aside the unreliability of online polls, that’s a pretty misleading way of framing it, if you ask me.

If you asked people 10 questions about just about anything, you’d probably find a substantial number of people who don’t get every one right. In fact, they did do this under the heading, “Disinformation Nation: Americans Widely Believe False Claims on a Range of Topics.” That’s probably why they found that, “Respondents identifying as Democrats were about as likely (82 percent) to believe at least one of the 10 false claims as those identifying as Republicans (81 percent).”

Many of the people responding to the poll may not have ever encountered the claims they were asked about. If you are first encountering a claim in that context, you pretty much just have to guess whether you think it’s true based on vibes. And you can easily set up misleading vibes, like, “Conservative initiative Project 2025 proposes cutting or eliminating Social Security” which is false because it’s not explicitly stated, but it does explicitly state a whole bunch of other horrible shit, so like, if you get got by that one it doesn’t really show that you believe in an inaccurate picture of the world, just that you got tripped up by details. But that claim dings you for “believing misinformation” just as much as " COVID-19 vaccines killed 15 million people worldwide."

So like it doesn’t really tell us very much about how far reaching disinformation really is, the results are more of a reflection of their methodology.

[Reposted from the last time this study was posted]

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago

If any population needs help with media literacy, it's Murcans and Canucks.

So many people are repeating Putin's narratives that even anti-cons are believing them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

uneducated country that wants to be even more uneducated. runs its platform based on robbing the country blind whilst using the dumbest of the population as a shield by rage baiting them into protecting them against the opposition.

the world is going to be unrecognizable in 20 years. I'm convinced its going to end up with multiple state collapses and nuclear wars.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago

*read and analyze content critically

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

No. Shit. It's infuriating.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

thanks to the right wing media lying to American people for decades this has become a reality

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Speaking of disinformation, here's the underlying article: https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/one-third-of-americans-believe-russian-disinformation-yougov-survey-finds. In case you want to skip Forbes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Gullibility appears to cut across party lines, with respondents identifying as Democrats just as likely as Republicans to believe at least one of the 10 false claims.

Republicans were, though, more likely to believe Russian disinformation claims than their Democratic counterparts, with 57.6% falling for at least one Russian disinformation claim, compared with just 17.9% of Democrats and 29.5% of people who didn't identify with one particular party.

I looked at the 10 false claims used for the test. Most of them were ridiculously easy to dismiss as false. The only one I had difficulty with was identifying whether social security cuts were part of "Project 2025" agenda, due to the agenda being very extensive (the source says 922 pages) and me not living in a country that it's about. Thus I'd have answered "not sure". I'd have also answered "not sure" about the birth place of some terrorist.

If people stumble on these, people are really poorly informed or unable / unwilling to inform themselves.

Some guesses.

  • the US media environment is very entertainment-focused?

  • the US education system leaves things to be desired?

  • the US population spends a high amount of time in social media echo chambers?

  • do Republicans spend more of online time in bot-infested places?

  • do they have lower bot recognition and fact checking skills?

  • are they drinking the kool-aid because their great leader drank it, so it seems legit?

In general, propaganda works. That's why people pay for it. When you have a delicate equilibrium and you can push it past the tipping point with little effort, that's the most economical way of disabling an opponent. :( Using force would require a spending a trillion, but using disinformation, you can get outcomes with a tiny amount.

Russia is spending significant amounts on promulgating misinformation in the U.S. Last year, for example, the U.S. Department of Justice indicted two people for funneling nearly $10 million through a Tennessee-based content creation company to publish misinformation about Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Many of the supposed "leaders" are spouting Russian disinfo - Hegseth the other day was crying about the media talking about the "Russian hoax", meaning, reporting on donvict's sus ties to Putin and Russia in his first term.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Cool story... But what about american disinformation? I guess it doesn't exist... jfc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This article doesn't deny American disinformation. Nor does it imply there is no American disinformation. What's your point?

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