Fuck AI

Locking this thread. I think it'd be good to add some civility-related rules to the sidebar. As folks know, this community has a lot of mods, and I don't want to make too many of such decisions unilaterally, so to any of the other /c/fuck_ai mods who want to be involved in that discussion, please DM me. Worst case, we'll set up a place to talk through the specific language. But if I don't hear anything, I'll probably just add something to the sidebar.

In the meantime, quit it with the direct attacks on other users. If you can't make your point civilly, make it elsewhere.

I'd also like to thank db0 for dropping in to speak for the dbzer0 instance.

Ugh, that's disappointing. The screendumped list of arguments that "leftists are per definition pro-AI" is reductive and cherrypicked. I guess they can get into the sea with the rest of the "AI" bros.

To be perfectly clear, I don't think the copyright system is anywhere near perfect, especially not the way it has been expanded to benefit corporations rather than actual creators. But it is really the only available legal protection against the gross ethical infringement on human artistry that the "AI" corpos have committed to tran their models.

I'm as black and red as they come — as well as an artist and arts teacher — and that litany of BS arguments does not represent me in the least. I would and have made art without certainty of compensation. That doesn't make my art or anyone else's up for grabs to create piss poor replacements for our skill and craft.

"GenAI" is not a threat to human creativity in itself— it only reproduces lowest common denominator results from the material it's trained upon. But the fact that indiscriminate morons actually think those statistically miscalculated songs, texts or images are as good as what people make? That's the real existential crisis.

Hey y'all, dbzer0 admin there. We're not anti Genai as a technology in general but we're absolutely anti-corporate genai. I believe the only valid way to use genai is if all weights are open source and all output is in the commons. I generally hate the current techbro Ai bubble and we have no stake in it. However I will defend proles using genai for their own entertainment as much as I will defend proles using piracy likewise. We think the world is would be better without copyrights. AMA.

As an Anarcho-Syndicalist (basically as far left as you can possibly get), multiple things can be simultaneously true:

1. Private property is theft as is copyright
2. Art should be publically funded
3. Capitalism is fundamentally evil
4. AI is theft
5. Tech bros are bootlickers

AI is a fundamentally reactionary tool, it does not serve the worker and does little more than serve the capitalist. It feeds off of real work that real workers do so that capitalists can claim that they can do work like real workers. However they cannot, only a true worker can make art and music. Art and music comes from what fundamentally makes us human, thats why AI and Capitalists cannot make art.

DOWN TO REACTION, DOWN TO THE DECEIVERS, DOWN TO THE TYRANTS

Getting reports over content in different instances. -_-

If someone comes here pushing AI slop then yeah I'm not opposed to whipping out the banhammer, but I don't really care what folks are posting elsewhere, and I'd rather not see Fuck AI become focused on drama in other communities.

Up or downvote as you see fit, but please don't use the report button as an 'extra big-ass downvote!'

So checks notes people who are against capitalist corporate Generative AI LLM's because they're just thieving all and sundry and ignoring any laws that might stop them are checks notes pro-capitalism Alt-Right supporters who... Checks notes a third time support Trump and all the capitalist companies bolstering his presidency in order to prevent regulations of Generative AI LLM's.

Did I get that right?

$5 says they used an LLM to make that response

The db0 instance has been the #1 disappointment for me on Lemmy.

If you count yourself as a leftist and advocate of electronic freedoms… but you find yourself on the opposing side against Robert Evans, Molly White, and Cory Doctorow, you might wanna reconsider whether you’ve been scammed into a libertarian tech bro version of Freedom™.

Point 7 is telling.

;tldr they ban anti-AI because they're in the AI game.

AI doesn't work without the availability of highly scalable compute, such as AWS or Azure. "Means of production" is a questionable concept when applied to digital things, since there isn't scarcity, and "goods" can be infinitely copied once produced. If anything, encouraging usage of AI in its current form increases our dependence on large corporations and the infrastructure that only they can build and subsidize.

I thought that point was rather questionably argued.

Er... "AI: The New Aesthetics of Fascism"

I'm banned from a lot of dbzer0 for the sin of downvoting AI slop

Well that's disappointing

Do you happen to have any evidence at all that they "delete any comments that complain about AI"? Because it seems unlikely, given that the only thing you came up with to support that statement is a comment expressing opinions about AI with which you presumably disagree.

this pretty much solidifies my belief that the dbzero0 instance is a grassroots left wing qanon Russian troll farm that's desperately attempting to divide us further.

been blocking any dbzero user as they make themselves obvious.

This may be a mistake. But I'm going to make an attempt at good faith discussion.

I am 1000% anti bougie AI. And would be a proud Luddite, marching into the data centers with a hammer to smash the servers and power distribution. AI used to displace, exclude, or oppress people. Or AI that is a detriment to the environment. That is the problem.

Or is it this community stance that all AI regardless of what it is or what it does is somehow bad. Say if you could run your own natural language AI assistant efficiently on a piece of hardware that you own. To help you stay organized or assist with simple verbal tasks. Is that also bad? Because otherwise everything @[email protected] said seems pretty reasonable.

That’s too bad. I joined because of piracy. But they are a bit rigid in their ideologies as one would expect from a niche tech community but this is too much. Where should I go next?