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A 2025 Tesla Model 3 in Full-Self Driving mode drives off of a rural road, clips a tree, loses a tire, flips over, and comes to rest on its roof. Luckily, the driver is alive and well, able to post about it on social media.

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

The worst part is that this problem has already been solved by using LIDAR. Vegas had fully self-driving cars that I saw perform flawlessly, because they were manufactured by a company that doesn’t skimp on tech and rip people off.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Are those the ones that you can completely immobilize with a traffic cone?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably Zoox, but conceptually similar, LiDAR backed.

You can immobilize them by setting anything large on them. Your purse, a traffic cone, a person :)

Probably makes sense to be a little cautious with the gas pedal when there is an anything on top the vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That and if you just put your toddler on the roof of the car or something or trunk for a quick second to grab something from your pocket.....VROooOMMM baby gone.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

You say that like it's a bad thing lol if it kept going, that cone would fly off and hit somebody.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

A human also (hopefully anyway) wouldn't drive if you put a cone over their head.

Like yeah, if you purposely block the car's vision, it should refuse to drive.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't really called it a solved problem when waymo with lidar is crashing into physical objects

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/waymo-recalls-1200-robotaxis-after-cars-crash-into-chains-gates-and-utility-poles/ar-AA1EMVTF

NHTSA stated that the crashes “involved collisions with clearly visible objects that a competent driver would be expected to avoid.” The agency is continuing its investigation.

It'd probably be better to say that Lidar is the path to solving these problems, or a tool that can help solve it. But not solved.

Just because you see a car working perfectly, doesn't mean it always is working perfectly.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

"It crashed!"

"Yes but it did it all by itself!"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

Except for the last 0.05 seconds before the crash where the human was put in control. Therefore, the human caused the crash.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (35 children)

The car made a fatal decision faster than any human could possibly correct it. Tesla’s idea that drivers can “supervise” these systems is, at this point, nothing more than a legal loophole.

What I don't get is how this false advertising for years hasn't caused Tesla bankruptcy already?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Anything outside of a freshly painted and paved LA roads at high noon while it's sunny isn't ready for self drivings it seems

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or silly tunnels you can't get out of.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Tunnels are extra dangerous. Not because of the likelihood of an accident, but because of the situation if an accident happens. It blocks the tunnels easily, fills it with smoke, and kills hundreds.

Except newly built tunnels in rich countries.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Actual self-driving vehicles, sure. Just not whatever the fuck Tesla is doing.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, if Elon was my dad, I'd probably have some suicidal tendencies too.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

More like the abusive step-father

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

self driving is the future, but im glad im not a beta tester.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're probably right about the future, but like damn, I wish they would slow their roll and use LiDAR

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Elon Musk decided they absolutely would not use lidar, years ago when lidar was expensive enough that a decision like that made economic sense to at least try making work. Nowadays lidar is a lot cheaper but for whatever reason Musk has drawn a line in the sand and refuses to back down on it.

Unlike many people online these days I don't believe that Musk is some kind of sheer-luck bought-his-way-into-success grifter, he has been genuinely involved in many of the decisions that made his companies grow. But this is one of the downsides of that (Cybertruck is another). He's forced through ideas that turned out to be amazing, but he's also forced through ideas that sucked. He seems to be increasingly having trouble distinguishing them.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

He really hasn't. He purchased companies that were already sitting on profitable ideas. He is not an engineer. He is not a scientist. He has no training in any design discipline. He takes credit for the ideas of people he pays. He takes credit for the previous achievements of companies he's purchased.

What is it going to fucking take for people to finally actually see the grifter for what he is? He's never had a single good fucking r&d idea in his life 🙃 he has wasted billions of dollars researching and developing absolutely useless ideas that have benefited literally no one and have not made him any money. It is absolutely incredible how powerful his mythos is, that people still believe him to be or have been some kind of engineer or something. He's a fucking racist nepo baby. He's never done a single useful thing in his life. He wasn't the sole individual involved in creating PayPal (and was entirely unrelated in turning it into the successful business it became), he didnt found tesla nor is he responsible for any of the technological developments it made (except for forcing his shitty charger design that notoriously breaks down and charges at half the speed that competitors do), he did not found SpaceX and by all metrics involved has been loathed by everyone at the company for the past decade for continuously committing workers rights violations and fostering a racist sexist and ableist work environment. The man has done nothing but waste people's time stoking his ego and sexually abusing a slew of employees for the past 2 and a half decades.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I use autopilot all the time on my boat. No way in hell I'd trust it in a car. They all occasionally get suicidal. Mine likes to lull you into a sense of false security, then take a sharp turn into a channel marker or cargo ship at the last second.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly. My car doesn’t have AP, but it does have a shed load of sensors and sometimes it just freaks out about stuff being too close to car for no discernible reason. Really freaks me out as I’m like what you see bro we just driving down the motorway.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They have auto pilot on boats? I never even thought about that existing. Makes sense, just never heard of it until just now!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They've had it forever. Tie a rope to the wheel. Presto. Autopilot.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This represents the danger of expecting driver override to avoid accidents. If the driver has to be prepared enough to take control in an accident like this AT ALL TIMES, then the driver is required to be more engaged then they would be if they were just driving manually, because they have to be constantly anticipating not just what other hazards (drivers, pedestrians,…) might be doing, they have to be anticipating in what ways their own vehicle may be trying to kill them.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

Full Self-Destruct

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I am never getting into a self driving car. I don't understand why we are investing money into this technology when people can already drive cars on their own, and we should be moving towards robust public transportation systems anyway. A waste of time and resources to... what exactly? Stare at your phone for a few extra minutes a day? Work from home and every city having robust electric transit systems is what the future is supposed to be.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Back when I still believed, I was excited because I wanted get in my car and take a 90-minute nap until I arrived at work.

With public transportation, you can only be half-asleep or you'll miss your stop.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

I used to dream of watching a movie then falling asleep in bed while my car drove the 8 hours to my folks' house.

But I'd want that beast to be bristling with sensors of every kind. None of this "cameras only" idiocy.

Someday. Maybe.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

I have a 45 minute high speed train commute to a busy end-of-line station. I can sleep, read, work, or just stare out the window and think.

Same commute is probably twice as long by car during rush hour.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not a fan of self driving cars, but saying that people are able to drive cars is a stretch.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ditto! They were about 1 foot from hitting the tree head on rather than glancing off, could have easily been fatal. Weirdly small axises of random chance that the world spins on

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I still don't understand what made it happen. I kept watching shadows and expecting it to happen earlier.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

For no reason?

They are running proprietary software in the car that people don't even know what is happening in background of. Every electric car needs to be turned into an open source car so that the car cannot be tampered with, no surveillancing, etc etc

Everyone should advocate for that because the alternative is this with Tesla. And I know nobody wants this happening to other car manufacturers cars as well

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I have visions of Elon sitting in his lair, stroking his cat, and using his laptop to cause this crash. /s

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Why would you inflict that guy on a poor innocent kitty?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week

That's because it won't, that's because Elmo musk is gasp a liar. Always has been. That robo taxi is actuyab older lie he used a couple of years prior, but he dusted it lfft and re-used it.

Anytime Elmo says that he's confident they can do it now, he means that they're nowhere near a real product. Anytime he says "next year" it means that it won't ever happen. Anytime he says that they alrethave a product, it just needs to me produced, it means that it'll never happy

He is a vaporware con man who has been cheating people (and mostly the US government) out of billions

Literally look at all of his promises over the last decade, you start seeing patterns. It's always almost there.

SpaceX, arguay his most successful company that he actually did with his leadership is a shit show of lies. According to him we'd be having colonies on Mars by now, it's what he took 3 billion dollars in funding for, and he literally isn't at 1% of that. Yet, he keeps claiming, within a few years now! Three billion dollars and he managed to blow up a banana over the Indian ocean, and obliterate a launch pad

If I commit fraud in the thousands, take thousands and then don't deliver, I go to jail. He does it with countless billions and he's still out there. Bit alas, his behavior finally is catching up with him, Tesla is going off a cliff bow that nobody wants to drive a Nazi brick anymore

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why someone will be a passenger in self-driving vehicle? They know that they are a test subjects, part of a "Cartrial" (or whatever should be called)? Self-Driving is not reliable and not necessery. Too much money is invested in something that is "Low priority to have". There are prefectly fast and saf self-driving solutions like High-speed Trains.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I fear the day I’m on the receiving end of a “glitch.” It’s ridiculous that anyone can think these are safe after how many of these videos I’ve seen.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Elon took the wheel because that person made a mean tweet about him

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It got the most recent update, and thought a tunnel was a wall.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

"I'm confident that Save full self driving (SFSD) will be ready next year"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Kill me” it said in a robotic voice that got slower, glitchier, and deeper as it drove off the road.

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