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Submission Statement

Between 2001 and 2021, under four U.S. presidents, the United States spent approximately $2.3 trillion, with 2,459 American military fatalities and up to 360,000 estimated Afghan civilian deaths.

After the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021, approximately $7.12 billion worth of military equipment was left behind, according to a 2022 Department of Defense report. This equipment, transferred to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) from 2005 to 2021, included:

Weapons: Over 300,000 of 427,300 weapons, including rifles like M4s and M16s.  
Vehicles: More than 40,000 of 96,000 military vehicles, including 12,000 Humvees and 1,000 armored vehicles.  
Aircraft: 78 aircraft, valued at $923.3 million, left at Hamid Karzai International Airport, all demilitarized and rendered inoperable.  
Munitions: 9,524 air-to-ground munitions worth $6.54 million, mostly non-precision.  
Communications and Specialized Equipment: Nearly all communications gear (e.g., radios, encryption devices) and 42,000 pieces of night vision, surveillance, biometric, and positioning equipment.  

The total equipment provided to the ANDSF was valued at $18.6 billion, with the $7.12 billion figure representing what remained after the withdrawal. Much of this equipment is now under Taliban control, though its operational capability is limited due to the need for specialized maintenance and technical expertise.

The United States has provided at least $93.41 billion in total aid to Afghanistan since 2001. This includes:

Military Aid (2001–2020): Approximately $72.7 billion (in current dollars), primarily through the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund ($71.7 billion) and other programs like International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, and Peacekeeping Operations ($1 billion combined).  

Humanitarian and Reconstruction Aid (2001–2025): Around $20.71 billion, including $3 billion in humanitarian and development aid post-2021 and $3.5 billion in frozen Afghan assets transferred to the Afghan Fund in 2022. Pre-2021 reconstruction and humanitarian aid (e.g., $174 million in 2001 and $300 million pledged in 2002) adds to this, though exact figures for the full period are less clear.  
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You actually think they were there to stop the Taliban?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Absolutely. The plan was to do in Afghanistan what we'd done in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Argentina and the Philippines.

We wanted a local aristocracy beholden to the US business interests with a police force willing to brutalize dissidents. Taliban wasn't that thing, so they needed to be supplanted.

Problem was, the Afghan aristocracy that the US aligned with were more vile than the Taliban and rejected by the public at large. So the US spent 23 years killing everyone who refused to submit to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The plan was to grow a shitload of poppy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

I might take this with a large grain of salt. My man is a neocon's neocon.

If you dig into Afghanistan's history, particularly with regard to the Soviet Union, there were a lot of parallels between the quasi-socialism of the Soviet occupation and the quasi-liberalism of the American occupation.

In both cases, the occupying army tried to subvert self-determination of the Afghan people. Trying to claim The Taliban as a product of US policy against the Communists or a product of Islamist policy against the Christian Nationalists really misses this as an ongoing effort by Afghanis to secure their own brand of domestic nationalism.

Get down to "Who is responsible?" Rubin doggedly insists that (a) US support for the Taliban in the '70s was worth the price, entirely to keep Communism out of Pakistan. And (b) we are the victims of imperfect policy rather than our own hubris.

Both beliefs are ultimately misguided, even if his history is a fun read.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

Don't forget the money and weapons you gave them before.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

TBF, withdrawing was a Trump era decision that Joe Biden simply didn't stop. Trump also released 5,000+ Taliban Fighters just before. I feel like if we didn't elect people like Donald fucking Trump then the outcome might have been different, it really seems like he was intentionally causing these problems.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure another 20 years would have been enough

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

As long as it took. They had a democracy, they had international trade, they had human rights. You can't put a pricetag on that. The USA was protecting something worth protecting for a change.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

How hard is it for you to understand they didn't want your racist violent military or your corrupt puppet regime ruling them?

Afghanistan has international trade now, and not only that but they also manufacture solar panels and other stuff for local consumption or export.

Your comment is a combination of racism, chauvinism and white saviour complex. Worse, you think you are doing good. Even worse, you are eager to do it all over again in another country against its people's will.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I'm sorry that you're on the faction opposing women in education, driving, or any form of authority. I'm sorry that you prefer an actual theocratic dictatorship. I'm at a loss that you didn't notice the immediate tariffs, sanctions, and funds being frozen when they took over.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (6 children)

I'm on the faction of "it's none of your business how Afghans govern themselves and you have no right to enforce your norms on them". If the puppet regime had any real support it wouldn't have collapsed in weeks.

I’m at a loss that you didn’t notice the immediate tariffs, sanctions, and funds being frozen when they took over.

Who placed the tariffs, sanctions and froze the funds? The US government and its allies being sore losers. You may want to take another look at this:

Previously, Afghanistan’s trade volume did not exceed $850 million annually, but after the return of the Islamic Emirate, exports surged to $2 billion. In 2024, Afghanistan’s total trade reached $12.42 billion, with exports at $1.803 billion and imports at $10.619 billion. In comparison, in 2023, Afghanistan’s exports were $1.884 billion and imports were $7.71 billion. This shows a 4% decrease in exports and a 38% increase in imports in 2024 compared to the previous year.

https://www.bakhtarnews.af/en/afghanistans-total-trade-achieves-12-42-billion-milestone-in-2024/

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

LOL this guy again, Eglin Airforce Base?
"Being frozen" The US vulgar thieves stole it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/16/afghanistan-money-biden-white-hosue-us

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

They had a democracy, they had international trade, they had human rights. You can't put a pricetag on that.

Around $2.3 trillion.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I remember Bush had withdrawal plan he started putting in action, then Obama had one, then Trump had one, then Biden had one

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

At every stage, the US lost more and more territory. By Biden, they'd been hedged into Kabul like the US was backed into Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War.

The idea that we could have just camped out and refused to leave was politically impractical and logistically incredibly difficult. And why would we have been there, except to periodically fling bombs into neighboring territory?

We'd lost the war a decade earlier and simply refused to admit it. By Biden, it was a farce. We didn't control the country in any meaningful way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

They never had control, they outsourced a lot of the fighting to the warlords they paid, without them they would have been thrown out a lot earlier

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

Trump absolutely didn't have a plan unless the plan was to fuck everything up.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

it's the journey that counts?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

In our defense, President Ghani abandoned his country and forces and allowed the taliban to take over. The ANA and ANP defected as well, which didn't help matters any. He felt like he had no chance and didn't want to add to the violence. Seeing the ana and the anp operate first hand, yes, they would have been obliterated.

When I was there, the locals appeared to want us there, but also were supplying Intel to the enemy. They knew when the taliban was going to attack, and when we patrolled. I get it, they wanted to stay alive and all.

I know people think we shouldn't have been there but look at our exit, and how the locals clung to the planes after take off. They were afraid of retribution from the taliban but for 20 years, they had someone to watch over them.

However, the taliban takeover was inevitable. We could have won that war, but we said fuck it and left. Why? Because it wasn't worth it anymore. And the US population thought they knew better. It lost or never had their approvaI. met a lot of cool Afghani locals. Hope they're alright.

Just my 2 cents while I was over there for a year. And fuck the taliban. USA shouldn't send any type of aid there. We left enough there as it is. They don't call that area the "Graveyard of Empires" for nothing. If they want to live in the stone age, let them. They don't need anymore outside influence.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Is this text AI generated? The civilian death toll in the "submission statement" is about 6x higher than accepted numbers and about 100K higher than all total deaths in the entire conflict.

IMO (AI or not) slop like this just "floods the zone with shit" while doing noting to help the progressive cause.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (15 children)

Trump is deporting afghan collaborators who came here after that war.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and the USA claims healcare for its citizens is unaffordable

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This shit haunts me sometimes. I remember hearing somewhere that the Taliban actually offered to deliver OBL to the US if they would promise not to invade and we were like "get fucked, idiot". How many people's lives did we needlessly destroy, regardless of nationality, both in Iraq and Afghanistan? What else could have been bought besides misery with the nearly four trillion between those two wars?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I didnt know about any of this. The article I read mentioned they offered to put him on trial prior to 9/11 too for his other crimes in the 90s. America is literally the idiot bully who yells over anything you say and then eventually punches you in the face while you are confused.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

i like this lemmy trend lately of reminding everyone who the baddies are

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Yeah but think how much money grifters made off of it. That $40 trillion in debt had to go somewhere.

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