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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Got a Framework 12 and have all sorts of tiny annoying but somewhat manageable problems with it.

It used to overheat and then throttle to 400 Mhz every few seconds on high load. Overheating meaning 100°C. After a long time being annoyed and thinking "did I do something wrong" I reached out to support, and eventually got a new motherboard. It's better since then, but it still gets hot quickly. Also, if I just idle, like maybe a few Browser tabs and that's it, it will get somewhat warm ~65°C and I just don't get it.

For some reason, it sometimes does not find my hard drive on boot. Works the second or third attempt, and is no software problem.

The light detection thing has to be disabled in software to be able to use the brightness buttons.

At the start, my wifi sucked really bad, just on this device.

Having some more ports than just the audio jack and the extension cards would be neat too.

Also, it was really expensive.

So yeah, I sadly wouldn't buy it again, I think. The concept is really neat, but I've had too many annoying little problems. I still do use it as my main computer, and it works reasonably well, is light and well transportable, works with my docking station easily, etc, but those issues are annoying.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I had a gaming laptop whose CPU jumped to 92C immediately on load, the vendor replaced the heatsink + copper wires to solve the problem, the cooling system might be problematic instead of the CPU / mobo

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

The battery connector is amazing, not a ribbon cable in sight!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I had to double-take because I thought this was their 12th model. But no, they just suck at product versioning, like every other tech company.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The number only indicate the screen size. The other two laptop models are the Framework 13 and 16. The only thing that made it confusing for you was your assumptions, since it all seems pretty straightforward to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Revisions don't really make sense for Framework in the same way as most other tech companies though, simply because of how upgradable and swappable the laptops are. My 13 probably has parts from two or three different "versions" at this point, and works like Lucky Charms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I guess it doesn't really work in their case because they only update certain parts each time, while all other parts stay the same revision, so you do need to refer to the specs to know which model you're referring to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It's a bad naming scheme.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

They wouldn't because they don't have the manufacturing capacity to dilute their product line like that. The whole concept of the Frameworks laptop is to keep as many parts as possible between generation so its always upgradeable between generation. We'll see how well they can stay on this course.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

The whole point of making a easy to repair and upgrade laptop is that people wouldn't have to buy the latest model to get upgrades, they can just buy the parts they want to upgrade and swap them in their existing laptop and if the come up with a upgraded Framework 12, they can just add the year it comes out to the title

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm confused, do you have an example of a laptop that uses numbers for their model number iteration rather than their screen size or feature set?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

No. Which is why I said they suck at versioning, like every other tech company.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

When AMD???

[–] [email protected] 117 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I just want an electric car that can do exactly this.

Modular components on an option of 3 frames. Reparable to a degree. Bare bones functionality. Physical buttons, no screens. Open source software. Upgrade not the whole car, but components as you go. Literally what video games taught us.

If I had Mark Cuban money, it's the first thing I would do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Slate truck looks interesting and is exactly what you describe. Time will tell if it pans out.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have a bike I put together with this mindset and it's pretty awesome. If any component dies I can replace it individually, even if it's not made by the same company. No reason an electric car couldn't have the same benefits except that the average consumer doesn't care about planning ahead

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Do you have any resources or documentation of your build? It sounds like a cool project.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Sounds a bit like the Slate truck to me.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Imagine Slate without Bezos

Would be so exciting

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think that has more to do with safety laws and emission standards than anything else. How can you properly crash test a fully modular car?

I'd love it if cars were more repairable, but modular would be a really tough design problem.

Heck, you NEED a screen in the US on any car due to backup cameras being mandatory. If you need a screen, I can see why companies would just use it for the infotainment system.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Yes and no. There's a YT video of some guy fixing anything on any car. The catch is that for components for easy things are getting harder and harder to reach. I always used to change my oil myself because it takes 20 minutes and I know the filter got replaced. Harder and harder to do every car I have. So even basic maintenance I can't do myself anymore.

Modular components could be workable in terms of you pick frame 1, 2, or 3 with batteries. Then you pick wheels/motors packs A, B, or C. Then you pick more and more options. If you own the A and C options, it's a 45 minute swap out with a system that confirms things are plugged in right. Not every configuration would work together. Toyota uses a lot of interchangeable parts between cars. I mean do this with a whole back end or front end. So like 5 swappable zones that work in maybe 15 possible configurations per frame.

Maybe you want a battle wagon. And want to grow out of that to a pickup. Or start with compact car and expand to a compact SUV.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have been wanting one since these were released. My old Asus laptop from 2016 is still kicking, so I guess I'll wait till it craps the bed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same with my 2017 Thinkpad.

If they release one with a TrackPoint and mouse buttons, I'll upgrade early.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same; I simply can't use a laptop without mouse buttons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I have a Macbook Pro at work, and I honestly hate it, largely for this reason. Mouse button rock, and TrackPoint is good enough that I largely don't use the trackpad. My workflow is very keyboard-centric, so it's a really good fit.

Give me the same workflow and I'll become a Framework customer. Otherwise, I'll probably still get one, but only once my laptop is no longer functional.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The heatsink comes away just as smoothly if you’re looking to reapply thermal paste down the road.

Not that you ever should, since it has PTM7958 which should never need to be replaced, and gets better with age.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the thermal pad tip fuckwit_mcbumcrumble !

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago

Now that’s a username I can trust.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I e got an i3 one of these on order and should turn up next month. I need to buy RAM and an SSD, but I think it'll end up around £750 all in. Will replace my 11yo MacBook Air 11 inch. Mac OS just went in the wrong direction under Cook.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Makes me sad that I know exactly what you mean, this new glass shit has me nervously eying the Linux door.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Linux Desktop has only got better in recent years. I made the switch to Ubuntu ~5 years back and have the opposite problem now - switching back to Windows/macOS can be a buggy pain.

Proprietary apps are still a pain for switching, but helped that most of the main ones (office) have capable web variants.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why's that? Never used apple devices myself, but I'm under the assumption that redesign is generally favored

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So at one point Macs were the developer laptop. They gave a nice desktop experience but with UNIX underneath that was very close to the Linux servers you'd deploy on to.

The direction of travel has been to bring the UI closer and closer to touch devices, often at the detriment to the developer experience (IMO). Snow Leopard / Lion was Mac OS at it's best. Once we left the cats behind it started going wrong.

Intel has become Arm - moving things further from those deployment servers. I've come to the realisation that I actually need x86 Linux adjacency more than anything else and nothing does that better than x86 Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Can you give some examples on how they're making it worse for developers? I've never used Mac OS before, so I got no clue what's different about it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I got a Framework 16 a few months ago and I've been loving it. Super happy these guys managed to make this concept of a repairable laptop work. Though, one thing I wish is for them to make a storage case for the expansion cards. I've built up a little collection of them and obviously filled up all 6 slots pretty quickly. I'd like a better place to put the unused cards than in a random drawer.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So... this is a 2-in-1 that is actually repairable? Am I reading this right?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have a Framework 14 for my school laptop and it really is a great little piece of hardware. Can't wait to see what they come up with next.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Can't wait to see what they come up with next.

Framework smartphone please. Though I think that is VERY unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Framework + GrapheneOS = ♥️

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