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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

To be fair, this federal program was a cluster eff since they started it in about 2010. It passed a bunch of grant money through to the states, which all did different "things" with it. Most held semi-public meetings and planning sessions for 5-10 years or wrote detailed planning documents but never delivered any physical infrastructure (actual results to the residents).

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 weeks ago

Some states / towns hired ISPs who just pocketed the money with no consequences. Some towns even got fed up with no progress and started their own ISPs only to get sued by said corrupt ISP. Looking at you Verizon FiOS.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago

Still no justification for this money to be funneled to felon musk.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm confused. The article is talking about "BEAD" which wasn't passed until 2021. You must be talking about a different program.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yea he is, but it's probably the same telecom handout bullshit like the other program.

Trump is a piece of shit, but every program he cuts is not necessarily wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm sure that there are examples of actually wasted money, but just putting it out there that planning is fucking important. There have been several high profile projects, like Texas high speed rail, where planning was the hard part and the project got canceled as they were ready to break ground because "there was no progress". Cue* Republicans "the government does nothing" after they stopped anything from happening. Infrastructure cannot operate on election cycle timelines.

Digging in the ground and integrating with existing infrastructure isn't just a plug and play operation. Leases and liens need to be sorted out. Estimates of current and future demand needs to be sorted out so you don't install useless networks. Fiber isn't that heavy, but "can the existing conduits under bridges/roads/etc support it and/or do they have room to without a complete replacement" isn't a trivial question for backbone lines.

Winging it just causes more problems as you find things you didn't anticipate and cause delays while having to continue paying contracts so work can resume once the delay is cleared. If you don't, the contractor is on to their next job and unavailable for an effectively random amount of time. While everyone is mad at you that "no work is being done".

It could be done faster, but it would cost more. Because planning is really important to keep multi-million/billion dollar projects accountable and on track.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself.

My city is rolling out fiber.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I'm in Wyoming and fiber started rolling out in multiple cities with multiple different providers in each city two years ago. They got to my house earlier this year so I now have a 2Gb/s connection.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Most of this money was also "allocated" but not really spent. So at least to Bidens credit money wasn't thrown away, it just sat there not doing what it was supposed to do.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The funniest part is that it's his voters lol

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The news will probably never reach them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

And if it does, they'll thank him for helping them to disconnect.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Rural voters overwhelmingly voted for this. I have no sympathy. I'm downloading shit fast as fuck. And I'm using my symetric fiber to seed 24/7 the following torrents: CDC data removed from gov websites, data leak from Patriot Front (a local fascist movement in USA), and war crimes committed by IDF in Gaza. Plus a lot of porn.

Cheers, shitbags! You got what you voted for.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Funds allocated throughout the years have NEVER actually gone to providing/increasing broadband in rural areas.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not entirely, my ISP is a family owned regional cable company and they took the grant and have rolled out fiber across multiple counties.

I get what you're saying about the mega corps, yeah they just pocket a lot of the money. But the smaller ISPs are being smart and investing in their infrastructure to be able to complete.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Frontier took the money and said, "Watch us trounce the big boy monopoly here"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Never say never. There are actually several areas where I've seen fiber build out from government grants.

That said, they are EXCEPTIONALLY rare and typically scumbag ISPs pocket the money with no consequences, since nobody who writes these laws sets up consequences for failing to deliver.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not true, just got 2Gb fiber in rural WI through a federal grant allocated 2 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I would think the tech bros running things would want more people to train their models on.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I would think that Muskrat would like more customers for his satellite internet business.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is exactly what some of my extended family uses because there’s literally no other option. Not even cellular.

This isn’t even up in the mountains or something. This is just rural Alabama where kids are struggling to do homework because they just don’t have access, and it all but guarantees that their technology skills will remain woefully outdated.

I remember when they had DSL not that long ago and I would turn off updates on everything because it was a complete waste of time to attempt.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My grandparents lived in rural OK and had dial-up until 2018 when they finally were able to get a 2mbps DSL line. It really wasn’t much faster than the dial-up.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

That is apparently going to have competition soon.

But ... yeah. Operating via satellites is profitable for sparsely populated areas, operating via wire - for densely populated ones. In addition to that Earth's orbit is not under anyone's sovereignty.

Both have their uses, but, I think, in locations in a developed country with old infrastructure because it's not profitable, - this means there won't be any.

The sad part is that if, say, I want to have unabused Internet connectivity from Russia, a Starlink terminal is not my solution, cause Elon still wants to be friends with those obnoxious people. And also if it were a solution, a terminal could be triangulated and my ass would meet a soldering iron. Maybe not, but some fines.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Capitalism perverts all good intentions. It twists them to make a quick buck.

It's a cancer on society.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I got mine, even though it’s 1 gb down 300 mb up, but it’s still rural fiber.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Yeah but does Iran have nukes? Checkmate!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

What's an average Internet connection like in the USA? How many megs down?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I'm getting 270 down and 40 up. Fucking comcast has a monopoly in my area, so I'm paying $120/month for it unless I want to go back to DSL.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

most areas have ISP monolopies, which is somewhat understandable given the high infrastructure costs etc. For that reason they should be regulated as utilities, but aren't because high speed internet isn't legally "essential" in the year of our lord 2025.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Heavily depends on where you live. I live near a big city on the east coast in a largely Blue state. I have 1 gig FiOS internet (up and down). In my area Comcast and Verizon compete for customers so our speeds here are alright. But there are plenty of areas in the US that have absolutely abysmal internet. Either because the area is rural so not much infrastructure has been built up or because the ISP in that area holds a monopoly on the market and doesn't have to increase speeds to keep their customers. I've heard horror stories of people being stuck with like sub 10mbps because there are just no other options.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

not as fast as some third world countries, but here we worship our soon to be hanging from a fuckin noose wealthy fucks, I will fight any billionaires one on one anytime

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I probably have pretty close to the top of the curve with 1140mbps up/down according to my plan. In actuality though my speed test reads at 864 up and 859 down.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Highest I've ever gotten was 200 down/10 up. My current is 50 down/10 up.

I pretty much always pay for the highest grade service in the area. Each time I've bought a home, I've researched the ISPs that service it and that also affected what the homes value was to me.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Even a town I used to live in with Donald voters, more than half the town couldn’t get speed over 5 Mbps - they had to use Satellite. And the other half? We had over 800 Mbps. 2 years after Covid, the other town finally has it. Ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That article has a pretty extreme example: guy on 21 acres atop a steep ridge who doesn’t have phone service or running water or probably any infrastructure. There’s going to be people you can’t reach with fiber and this may be one of them. We can argue about that when the other 99% has fast internet service

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Years ago my neighborhood was wired for fiber, well all except for 24 of our houses because it wasn't profitable, copper still came on our side though... Now that's been turned off so the 24 of us have the option of cable or wireless.

Having to stare at a coil of fiber across the street on the end of the pole (not even buried fiber, its on the damn poles) while I enjoy overpaying for 48Mbps... so fast it must be high speed (seriously debated a wireless link to the house across the street but I'm a stickler for the rules).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Even in more urban areas …. My ex asked for help getting internet service in her new condo, and I found out the entire town has fiber, except her condo development. They have an exclusive contract with ComCast and she can’t do anything about it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

So very glad I got to benefit from this 3 years ago, it is a true shame if it goes away. I get to be rural and work at a company in the city.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All of whom voted for this. So.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? No.

It doesn't matter what rural areas vote for. They're all gerrymandered to shit just like the cities are.

The political elite on both sides have a good chunk of us fighting each other instead of them. So, congrats on falling for the same bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? No.

I’ve seen more than my share of “red” counties. They’re only gerrymandered when there’s an obvious threat to red state hegemony. Full of good people who fall for stupid lies every goddamn time despite the world of information available to them. The FoxNews miasma that hangs like suffocating humidity in every auto garage and bleak box store parking lot. The fist of Jesus in every lifted truck window.

Take your “both sides” bullshit to someone else.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Republican (but lets be fair here, most) states basically just threw their hands up and left it up to the "experts" (or their friends in the cable/local phone monopoly) for planning BEAD funds. Really it's a failure of American politics and a case study on how baseline corrupt the average state is.

The only place that has actually gotten its shit together is, of all places, North Dakota, they have almost universal fiber access across the whole state, if you have power, you probably have fiber. All of contiguous America could have the same, only local politics stands in the way.

Utah has also built out locally owned open-access municipal fiber, despite the best attempts from the Comcast/CenturyLink lobby and state legislature to kill it; among other projects in WA, TN, IA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There isn't a single county in this country that votes 100% in either direction. So saying that "All of whom voted for this." is objectively incorrect.

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