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Official site: https://www.iceblock.app/

The CNN article talks a bit more about privacy issues. This bit caught my eye:

It’s only available on iOS because Aaron says the app would have to collect information that could ultimately put users at risk to provide the same experience on Android.

I would like to see some details about this. Perhaps there's a way to work around that problem, even if it meant publishing on F-Droid instead of Google Play.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why can't it just be a website? Why does everything have to be a fucking "app"?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Chrome?

It's probably a security risk like Android, and the vast majority use it.

Also, apps are better at sending notifications (like ICE warnings). IMO this is a pretty decent justification for an 'iOS only' app.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

remember when these guys couldn't breathe while wearing a mask during lockdown?

edit: "e"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Breath - rhymes with 'death', and is what comes out of your mouth

Breathe - the action of breathing

Try to remember it this way: when you add the 'e' on the end, you're really breeeething.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i just can't type worth shit on a touch screen

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

While i agree with the point you are making, its just quite the obvious difference. Medical masks have much much denser material so they dont let water droplets through. These masks are usually just some clothing fabric that is full of big openings and really easy to breathe through.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have tumor riddled lungs and chest muscles that don't quite do their job any more and I was able to breath just fine with a N95 on for hours at a time. These gigantic turd burglers must be more out of shape than my dead gran if not being able to breathe was their excuse.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These idiots didn't wear medical masks during, I live in conservative hell and they all wore neck gaiters and kept them under their noses and still bitched that they couldn't breathe.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Well thats fucking dumb

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

I can't speak for the states but here people I absolutely know wore balaclavas and neck masks before covid also started complaining about those just the same because the medical authorities were saying it was better than nothing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Oh yes, specially designed masks for MEDICAL purposes, designed to be usable for childreb abd the elderly are harder to breathe through for tough macho guys like this than some bullshit they bought at a gunstore.

Clearly they only care about protecting themselves and can't be bothered to protect others.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Regarding the Android version:

https://www.iceblock.app/android

TL,DR: "It's difficult, so we'll hide behind privacy excuses rather than helping the largest number of at-risk people."

Seriously, if VPN companies and every other company that handles sensitive data anonymously can do it, so can these developers. When 70% of the worldwide smartphone user base uses Android, an iOS-only app is just not good enough anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I think their argument is sounding.

Offering VPN is different from storing private information like a device ID. You don’t get notifications from your VPN.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 days ago (4 children)

If a person is armed and masked and does not identify itself, it is most likely a terrorist and a threat to the public.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm surprised how non of them were gunned down on self defense,

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I think they have been. But they're not reporting it to avoid copycats.

There was a large number of police shootings in my state when one guy opened fire on a state trooper. Then we were hearing stories every week.

So I'm supposed to believe groups of people with masks running up to folks and grabbing them haven't been getting retaliation back?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

Saw some video clip from "ice" getting beat tf up in a Haitian community. No guns on the civ side, but they were charging and tackling " ice" and not letting any of their people get kidnapped. love to see it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It probably helps that they are targeting decent, normal working immigrants, who are unlikely to be armed.

If they were actually going after armed gang members, they probably would be getting shot. But as we can tell by the fact they are hiding their faces, they are chicken shit losers cosplaying as tough guys targeting defenseless people because it's easier.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

Crime statistics plainly show that the immigrant community is objectively one of the least likely groups to commit any crime, let alone violent crimes.

The vast majority of immigrants fear any interaction with police that could jeopardize their path to citizenship, even before trump took office and made everything way worse. These people just want to work and go home to their families. They’re unfortunately a perfect target for fascists like Trump because they are under represented, decent people who aren’t likely to fight back at first. Remember that fascism requires a nebulous “enemy” to rally people towards. You need a group that is simultaneously “evil” and capable of great harm to the government and people, but also easily handled by “security” measures. This allows the dictator to convince the public that all these sweeping powers that are being demanded are for their own safety. And unfortunately the vast majority of people just believe the first thing they hear, and we end up in this situation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

I'm just waiting for a trial where a jury has to decide if shooting at a gang of masked unidentified men in unmarked vehicles kidnapping you or your loves ones counts as self defense.

and regardless of the verdict the supreme court will uphold the right of the state to let unidentified gangs kidnap people off the streets.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Without open source, it could be a honey pot.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I did check to see what permissions and data it wants access to. None. That seems like a good sign.

A nefarious app might also want permissions to see all your contacts.

Edit to clarify: The app install page says only "Data Not Collected". I would presume they would list IP and/or location if that were amongst the data collected as I have seen other apps do, but I am certainly no expert. The dev is All U Chart, Inc.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Don’t apps self-report this stuff? You presumably need to make a DB query from their backend to see any reportings in a 5mi radius, so at minimum they have your GPS coordinates and IP address (which when combined would uniquely identify you)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Iirc, permissions for iOS are required for devs to be able to use the functions/methods under those permissions.

So if the app doesn't use them, they won't show up as needing them.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like the dev is just not that familiar with Android.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you aren't that familiar with android. Android's main purpose is to collect as much information on you as possible. Google did not offer it up out of the goodness of their heart. It's integral to their data collection and resale business model.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You act like Apple doesn't collect an absolute massive amount of data on every one of their devices and users. Sure it's done In a more clandestine way than Google but they still do.

With Google I can run a security focused ROM like GrapheneOS and have virtually no data collection on my device, while with apple black boxes you will enjoy the illusion of data privacy and be happy about it.

I know installing custom ROMs is not standard user behaviour and I will concede that in many instances apple is better than stock android for privacy /security, but the way you framed your argument erked me because you cant say or prove anything with their closed source black boxes. Apple aren't good people, they are anti consumer and exist to make money. Of course they collect data.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Good stuff, but IOS only at the moment.

Edit to include link: https://www.iceblock.app/

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

At this point my understanding from other sources is that they can't distribute via the android App Store in a way that uses location tracking and notifications but is still anonymous where they can with iOS because location services is device side only.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Android Location manager can get the location without Google Services and there are alternative notification services like ntfy.

EDIT: The location manager is part of the official API and ntfy is available on the play store, so apps using them will also be allowed. Besides, it's android, you can install alternative app stores or install apps directly. Maybe it's a good time to teach vulnerable communities how to do it safely, because using Big Tech services is not safe for them.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Super skeptical that this is a Honeypot, or they'd just make it a web app.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

A honeypot in a walled garden? What has this nation become?

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Nice masks. Must feel like they're doing something wrong.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I love how, even when they're using them to hide their face, half of them still don't know how to use a mask and put it under their nose

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Would it be possible to create a webapp version of this? With ICE and CBP freely able to search phones now, I am worried about retaliation if they find this app on the phone.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

Yes, it’s not hard for a full stack developer to make. Probably a thousand people already in the fediverse can, including me.

But it cannot be hosted on USA controlled servers, and the developers need to find a way to be anonymous to USA offices

Edit: also some other issues. Cannot put it as an onion service because most people in the USA do not use tor. This means regular domain.

  • register domain where cannot be seized
  • server must be load balanced or using something like kubernetes
  • heavy traffic costs money , how to pay bills without crossing USA banking system? And cannot expose payers or contributors
  • where to host?

many people can build it, but most of us have no clue to the obstacles

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago

What a good country we live in when this app is the #1 app in the Social Networking category.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Why not just release it as a self install not connected to an appstore?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not disagreeing. The issues that come with it:

1 - Not many people will install it because you have to disable default security features. Android gives a huge "Your device is insecure" scary message.

2 - Then you'll get the people who will use this for malicious reasons. Even the app store gets copycats that do nothing but steal information.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"If it's a legitimate disappearing, the public has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

even if it meant publishing on F-Droid instead of Google Play.

Sadly this means it’s not accessible to like 95% of people, even if driven to install it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Thanks for the link.

So the problem is that using Android's push notification system would require ICEBlock to store people's device IDs, which could then be used against them.

I wonder if this could be avoided by using Web Push instead of google's native push notification system. Or perhaps some other push notification system using rotating ephemeral IDs.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

…almost none of what is said about Android push notification is true. A lot of apps uses firebase, which does not require the creation of user accounts or whatever to send push notifications to a device.

Either they're completely unfamiliar with it, or they don't want to do it, but what they claim is dubious at best.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I don't know. An app that only people with direct interest in this matter would use regularly, seems like a pretty convenient way to mark people of interest, no?

Not even in a sci-fk distopían way. Imaginet: TSE sees the app on your screen as you're powering it down in line? BOOM baby, alligator town.

No?

As much as I trash DeCeNtrAlIZaTiOn, maybe THIS is when you actually need DeCeNtrAlIZaTiOn, to protect all participants

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