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There has been a fair amount of analysis of the social role of 'true crime' as a genre. To boil it way, way down, it's about creating a representation of human evil to let people feel essentially righteous. It is peak centrism, uplifting the status quo by placing it as opposition to the unquestionedly heinous, and with it, current structures, like cops as law enforcement.
We sometimes watch stuff like this and I will point out when they are coming out with something bullshit.
Like a police officer saying how dangerous escooters are because someone was killed a few months ago by one. Cars kill multiple people a day.
That's great, but the issue is promotion of this type of media and its bias which favors the police. Your personal experience is encouraging, but does not refute the issue as a whole
There's a lot more cars around than Escooters though.
Fatalities per passenger mile is also lower
For scooters or cars?
im just not a fan of the true crime industry. it makes me feel ill
So do the fictional detective shows that are constantly popular for decades now. Propaganda.
But I love my British and Scandinavian detective series. They're great!
You might like Varg Veum.
Me and partner watch a lot of drama series…crime/detective/cop stuff is so dominant it’s unreal.
I’m so tired of people opposing a “pro-cop” bias. You can be against corruption in police departments without being pro-criminal. Police are the people we should be supporting, because they enact the force of law, which is what keeps society stable. That there is corruption among the police just means we need to attack that problem directly, not get rid of police. Those who want to get rid of police are anarchist fuckwits who want crime lords to rule society, and they should be dealt with the same way we deal with criminals.
why do you think not being "pro-cop" makes you pro-criminal?
If you’re simply against the establishment of having police, you're by default “pro-criminal.”
Why?
Because without police, criminals flourish. Because with police that are established and controlled by a democratically elected government, you get police who are established and controlled by gangs and cartels.
"Without Police, Criminals Flourish"
We have police now, and criminals flourish.
Hell, half the criminals are the police.
how about you pop that thin blue cock out of your mouth and stop with the copaganda apologism.
Go back to reddit
Go fuck yourself.
Only the siths deal in absolute. And police officers don't really uphold the law, at least in France, they transgress repeatedly and are protected by the institutions never trialed for their crime.
We need to reevaluate the role of police in our society because it's not working for the public but against it.
You’re a moron. Not the least for using a Star Wars reference that’s acknowledged to be hypocritical, but because you oppose the institution of police, offer nothing to replace it with. What a buffoon. Who do you think will take control without police? Someone will fill the power vacuum. And guess what: it will be organized criminals. Say what you like about governments being little better, at least they’re established by some form of democracy. You think society will be made better by demolishing the established rule of law? You’re a dumb, inexperienced, naive piece of trash, and the world would be better without you.
Those who want to get rid of police are anarchist fuckwits who want crime lords to rule society, and they should be dealt with the same way we deal with criminals.
Oh yeah, that makes total sense, if someone doesn't agree with you they're a criminal. /s
The full expression is a few bad apples spoil the bunch. Police are thoroughly corrupt in the United States and it could be argued with plenty of corroborating evidence that it is a feature and not a bug.
Your little piggies stood by en masse in Uvalde while eight year olds were slaughtered. But you better believe they'll be cashing their overtime checks after assisting the ICE raids to help haul off undocumented Grandmas.
That the stable society you love that they help uphold?
ACAB
Even if 100% of the police officers in the country need to be replaced, we still need police. Are you truly debating this?
Where you getting them from? The type of people that want to be police in this country are largely the fucking problem with this country.
And besides, I can't even debate this with you, right? Because it makes me deserving of being treated like a criminal?
Is it a thought crime to think that people who literally have no mandate to protect the public, constantly murder dogs and people, suck up the majority of most city budgets, and are generally cowards might be doing more harm than good?
You referring me to be sent to El Salvador? Oh whoops, you said treated like a criminal, not treated like a person applying for asylum. I guess if we're going to treat me like a criminal in this country, I should be elected president.
You’re being over-emotional. Stop.
I can accept that there are systemic problems either the police in this country. Can you accept that private police organizations which will most likely be run by the mafia and cartels would be worse? Regardless of what you want to call it, every democratically elected government needs a force to enforce its laws. They’re typically called police. Yes, our police force needs reforms, but we still need police.
Now, are we in agreement or am I dealing with a moron not worth my time?
Wait. You mean to tell me there's corruption in the corruption factory??
Sooo..Do you prefer the flavor of brown polish, or black?
This is the Internet, get the fuck out of here with a practical and realistic opinion.
But I like shitting on the sidewalk. 😉
JCS criminal psychology is 100% copaganda. It presents cop interrogation techniques as a kind of science, as if the Reid technique wasn’t all about deliberately misunderstanding body language and coercing innocent people to confess.
Skip Intro has a good series on Copaganda. Talks about TV shows/fiction, but a lot of the messaging is the same.
Cops exist to protect property, not you.
If you want a good non-copaganda documentary though, Errol Morris’s The Thin Blue Line is a worthwhile classic.
huh interesting, I always took the vibe of JCS to be "these are the dirty tricks they pull, shut the fuck up and get a lawyer because you won't win in an interrogation room"
maybe that's me projecting into it though idk
If you like true crime and also someone not afraid to call out when the cops fuck up, I recommend Bailey Sarian. Love her "Honey let me TELL YOU" vibe, but that'll be a turn off for some people so YMMV.
I don't recall cops coming up much in Barely Sociable but he's great too though he hasn't posted in a while, and his stuff is less true crime and more mysterious stuff in general.
Netflix had a few really good ones that showed how the cops lied or bungled things.
There’s a YT video by Fern that goes over a story about some german cops burning a drunken black man alive and covering it up. Non-copaganda crime documentaries exist, although they’re rare. I love crime media, but I always take it with a grain of salt since the genre is generally pretty biased.
What do you expect, do you want a crime documentary to sympathize with the criminals?
Occasionally they take the "investigation bungled by police" angle, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Copaganda is real
I mean it depends which ones are you watching.
True crime series usually deal with crimes where the perpetrator is undeniably guilty, and typically of very heinous crimes. It shows cases where the police is correctly doing what should be their job.
If there are any videos that show "we assaulted a random person on the street" type of police work in a positive way, I haven't seen it yet.
It shows cases where the police is correctly doing what should be their job.
That's debatable. I've seen a lot of them where they're interviewing the cop and they say things like "they knew he was guilty in their gut". I personally don't think police should be using their gut to investigate crimes. The documentary people only question statements like that if it's one of the ones about a guy who ended up being innocent.
I mean these tend to focus on actual crimes and not like police coverups or misbehavior. I bet though police misbehavior documentaries would get good traffic though. I can tell you there are some good subjects of topic from chicago.
focus on actual crimes and not like police coverups or misbehavior.
I would consider the latter to be actual crimes. But I understand your meaning.
They are high-key copaganda. It’s overt and blatant.
What portion of these documentaries talk about false convictions, for instance?
John Oliver does a great segment on the TV show 'Law and Order' and this exact phenomenon. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DNy6F7ZwX8I
They might just rely on police reports Because they don't have the resources to do actual investigation.