38mph in a 30mph zone
Seems strict to me. but I'm not British.
30 is for built up areas. Also key is that jaywalking isn’t a thing in Britain. Pedestrians always have right of way and can cross the street at any point so in urban areas motorists must be prepared to stop at any time.
There’s also a 10% grace where prosecutions under that are unusal. But the chances of survival being hit at 38mph are significantly lower than at 30, or even 33.
The ban is for exceeding the penalty points on her licence. She had 9pts before this conviction, and speeding carries 6-8pts which has put her over the 12pt limit, which she accumulated over 3yrs so that’s a 6-month ban.
After 6 months she will need to take her driving test again and reapply for her licence.
Just as this this guy says
you dont get a ban for the first instance. This shows repeated offences. Lucky she has the money for a driver.
I have little patience for serial speeders. Gripe all you like, but speed limits save lives.
Particularly in populated areas, slow the fuck down. Too many people could get hurt, go speed somewhere the people aren't.
But the chances of survival being hit at 38mph are significantly lower than at 30, or even 33.
I've been knocked down by a car doing 5mph. My head was embedded in the bonnet, bounced off it, and then I was on the road staring at the underside and tyre of a fortunately stopped car before my puny human brain could figure out what happened.
Being hit, even at 5mph, is not something you'd want, let alone 38.
My idiot sister racked up nine points in six months after moving to the UK. She claimed not to have seen the 40mph sign she blew past at 50. "They're so small!" She only started paying attention when she realised she was one ticket away from a ban.
Pretty sure speeding in that range would net a fixed penalty of 3 points. Also, she would have had the first 3 points discounted via an awareness course. So, in effect this is likely the 5th offense, or less if one or more of the others was serious enough to get 6 points.
She already had nine points on her licence, so she's a repeat offender, hence the book getting thrown at her.
Conversely, this happened in Oxford, which is well known for being strict on drivers. She might have got away with it elsewhere.
I initially thought that. But the article makes it clear. But you need to know how our licenses work.
Normally for speeding (up to 42mph in a 30) you would get as a first offense the choice of paying for a speed awareness course OR 3 points + fine, and 43-49mph you would get a fixed penalty of 3 points and a fine. Subsequent offenses would go straight to points + fine.
However the points are important. Your points expire after 3 years. But if you have 12 active points at any time, you will then get a compulsory ban (unless you can prove to a court you need to drive, which is abused of course). Which is what likely happened here.
So, she's been quite the habitual offender.
How so? Its very clearly over the limit, its not like you can accidentally go around 30% over the limit. Plus don't cars usually over report their speed slightly?
The only surprise is that she was caught, so she probably does this all the time and this was just the time she was finally caught doing it.
it's not like you can accidentally go around 30% over the limit
When that 30% is 8mph, yes you can
Look at a speedometer. You see where 30 is? Now see where 40 is. Do you notice that the line for 40 is past the line for 30? If the needle is past the line for 30 you are diving too fast. There is no way you can do it unless you are not paying attention to your speed.
I'd be open to this argument for something like 3 mph or 4 mph, maybe even five. But eight? If you're so bad at keeping track of your speed you can't tell the difference between zero and eight something is seriously wrong.
The amount you are allowed to drive over the speed limit is in fact 0mph (0 km/h for us Europeans).
Tolerance of violations of this is a sign of a deeply broken society
This is different in Germany but we learn about tolerance in driving school. Your speedometer can be wrong by about 10% and speed guns can also have errors. A good system accounts for unintentional speeding.
You can go from a 40mph zone to a 30mph on the same stretch of road. But there are signs well in advance to indicate the speed change. It's quite common for the rozzers to be 'sat' waiting in these spots to catch those that don't slow down in time.
It's common to get caught. It's less common to get gmcaight lots of times. Particularly for someone who doesn't drive a lot. Like wealthy people with drivers. She should sloelw down. Matthew Broderick too
It is. A lot of councils set limits arbitrarily low to frustrate drivers. It makes for easy pickings if you set up a speed camera or frequent the area with mobile speed traps.
Speed limits are based on medical case histories on survivabilities. Sorry you think you have more right to live just because you go around in a metal box.
Won't someone please think of the poor oppressed drivers!
Prove it. Otherwise your statement is a lie/fabrication.
61km/h instead of 48km/h. You’re welcome.
38 in a 30.
You're welcome.
I dont find this too wild honestly.
I do. Driving 61 instead of 48 km/h increases your distance to stop at an emergency by almost 8m. This is assuming 300ms reaction time. By the time you would have stopped at 48km/h you would still be ramming whatever it is you're emergency braking for with ~~40km/h~~ 15km/h if you go 61km/h.
Speeding is no joke, please read about how braking distance scales with speed. Especially if you go 50km/h in a 30 you're spelling a death sentence for anyone and anything running into the streets. And no, "they shouldn't run on the street" is not an argument, children and animals will always do unpredictable things, and being inattentive isn't a reason to execute someone
Edit: used km/h instead of m/s in my calculations
Good point, you are absolutely right, also since she was caught multiple times maybe its time for her to rethink her actions
If she was caught doing 38mph in a 30, then her car was probably displaying 40 or 41mph as the speedo's always report you going a higher speed than you're going. So I'd say that's pretty bad, especially when you've been caught several times before in such a short space of time.
Depends on where you are. 10 over on some roads is crazy, but there are many roads where 20 over is still fine.
Interesting the cultural difference here. People arguing in favor of, or at least the reasonableness of, the law and its application. Americans regularly speed, 20+ mph over the limit is not uncommon. People would lose their shit over a driving ban in the US, and probably keep driving anyway. DUI repeat offenders and suspended license drivers are pretty common.
and probably keep driving anyway
In much of the US, the alternative is lose your job and become homeless, so.
I had my license suspended for 90 days - due to a paperwork error when I was in college. I just had hope I didnt get pulled over at that time because I had no choice but to drive for school and work.
Repeat offenders and unlicensed drivers happen here as well. But the use of cameras makes it much harder then the past.
But having lived in the US. Most of it has so little public transport not driving is impossible. Here it is doable in all but the most remote areas. Just crap compared to the 80s and before. It is still way better the most cities in the US.
I wish we had better transit here. I hate driving but, as you said, have to because there's no better solutions.
Are pets allowed on public transit in the UK/Europe?
"She is in a position to pay the fine."
No shit!
Who cares
Thames valley police hate the car. I’ve been done a couple of times that way. 33 in a 30 for me last time, Really strict.
Have you tried… learning how to operate a car?
I suspect you might be telling on yourself here as someone who didn’t drive.
People who go through car education and actually drive learn about system tolerances. Speedometers can be off by up to 10% and radar guns can be off by about the same.
If you actually drive and use cruise control set to 30 and go up a hill to a level section of road, the cruise control will likely bring you up to 33 before it reacts the reduced power needs and brings you down to 30 again.
Cars in real life are not exactly like they are in video games.
Millionaire ($85m) problems. Girl can pay for uber
I think the point is that she can but she's still arrogant and entitled enough to speed and get caught... and then speed and get caught again.
And again, and again. 1st time is 3 points or speed awareness course (why would anyone not do it), then assuming she didn't accrue points in a different way (bald tyres etc) it's 3 points for each subsequent speeding offense and you need 12 points for a 6 month ban. That's 5 times caught speeding in 3 years.
So she's been caught speeding and got caught again, and again, and again, and again!
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