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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (3 children)

On the one hand, I really want this T-shirt. On the other hand, I'm no longer very intimidating so it doesn't really work. :-(

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been repeatedly described as having "resting murder face". Ignoring my size, that alone usually gets people to clear out.

I need this shirt so bad

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I want this shirt, and my spinniest of skirts.

I'm even willing to let my beard grow back in. Go full "crazed mountain man" with it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Get enough friends to wear it with you and it won't be a problem

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, I’m a big white guy with a beard, and I think I need this shirt!

I don’t do baseball hats and mirrored shades though. I wouldn’t want to look like a domestic terrorist or something.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The hat with the rainbow bear tho!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I couldn't do it. Too many people think I'm gay when I'm not, without sending mixed messages with a rainbow bear.....

If you aren't aware, a "bear" is a type of gay guy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As a gay, I know what a bear is. I eat bears for breakfast

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not gonna lie, the hat and suspenders are both awesome. I don’t use suspenders but maybe I need to take that step towards old-man-ness.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Coming in from the all community (should we call it !all). This is so fucking rad.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Trans homies, I like that

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This kinda shit is what has kept me going to the gym over the years.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I think the key word here is respect. Just because others don't agree with a certain stance doesn't mean they should be victimised (and that's on both sides).

Opinions help create a dialogue, and dialogue helps understanding and compassion.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just because others don't agree

Your agreement is not required. They are people. Also they are trans. It isn't a stance. It's a fact. Whether someone doesn't understand it or doesn't agree with it is absolutely irrelevant. It's not about them and your personal opinion doesn't get to ever override someone else's life.

If you "don't agree" with trans folks then you're still a disgusting transphobe and I will hit you.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago

This is same as homophobes "disagreeing" with gay people, or the gay "lifestyle". It was nonsense then, it is still nonsense now.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What's the other side in the "both sides" here?

One side is fighting to exist so the other side is....

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Just because others don’t agree with a certain stance doesn’t mean they should be victimised (and that’s on both sides).

Lol, what ViCtImIzAtIoN are the LGBT doing to conservative assholes who hate them? Existing??

Calling this a BoTh SiDeS issueis stupid, and pretending that there are two legitimate sides to the issue, and not one legitimate side and a bunch of fuckers who hate them for existing is next level braindead.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Hey everyone look, it's the Enlightened Centrist doing fascist apologia again!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

Generally that would be true. The issue comes from the difference between opinion vs fact. "LGBTQ+ people are humans and deserve the same respect as everyone else" is a fact. And as long as some people can't accept that fact, there can't never be both sides.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Let's say there are two kids, Adam and Brad.

Adam bullies Brad. He will hit Brad, destroy his belongings, and make mean spirited jokes about him.

When Brad tries to deal with Adam peacefully, it does not end well for him. Ignoring the jokes does not make them stop. Asking nicely for Adam to stop destroying his things does not work, nor does trying to hide his stuff or asking him to stop sternly. Trying to deescalate, walk away, or defend himself does not stop the beatings.

Brad asks authority for help. Authority tells him that Adam has a hard home life and to cut him some slack. They tell Brad that Adam will eventually stop on his own.

Adam does not stop after Brad tries his best to keep the peace. One day, when Adam hits Brad, Brad hits back.

Adam goes to authority and tells them that Brad hit him. Brad is now in trouble and gets punished by authority.

I do not believe this is fair. Brad was just existing and Adam did everything he could to make Brad's existence pain. Brad did what he could to make Adam leave him alone, and it was necessary to eventually fight back. This is not "both sides."

The problem with what you are saying is that there are many people that are fighting for trans people to not have the care they need, not have access to normal services, and not be safe in their day-to-day lives. While these are US-centric, similar things are happening in other countries too.

The trans folks are not fighting for a difference in opinion, they are fighting just to live their lives. Their asking politely, voting, and peaceful protests have not stopped their systemic stripping of their rights. If they ignore orders, such as using a restroom they are banned from, they might even go to jail or get murdered. The threat is not just staying, it is also growing. It cannot be ignored. I agree that peacefully resolving conflicts is the best, and ignoring conflicts that just don't matter is preferable. But when it does matter and peace is not working, it is time to escalate.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

"You should respect people who are of the opinion you shouldn't exist" 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

There is no "both sides" here. There is no opinion worth considering on the other side of someone's right to exist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Wow. So much for the lemmy community here.

The only opinion I'm giving is respect others regardless of how anyone feels on the matter. And that still stands. I'm not giving any opinion on lgbtq+.

But all these comments about "hitting others" and name calling is the complete opposite of respect. If someone has a view that you don't agree with then talk, or say OK and leave the conversation.

Don't read too deep and make assumptions with my comments. My intentions are true, I just want a global community of respect.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (5 children)

he only opinion I’m giving is respect others regardless of how anyone feels on the matter.

And that opinion is the problem. What you're advocating for is to give equal respect to trans people and people who actively want to punish trans people for existing. Your opinion is inherently disgusting.

No one needs to 'read deep'. Your intentions are surface level. You are advocating for giving respect to those who hold the opinions that trans people should not exist and that it is a mental illness. The two are not similar and they are not deserving of respect.

However I am going to ban you from this community now for a week while leaving your comments up just to point out how idiotic this stance is, how dangerous it is to trans people, how tone deaf it is, how disrespectful it is, and exactly the type of shit you shouldn't say. Also that if you display this type of idiotic behavior that you deserve to be mocked and ridiculed endlessly for supporting those who do exactly that to people below them.

Sit down, shut up and think about what you said. Read the responses from those who are actually impacted and stop trying to equate hate with love.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

Ladies and Gentlemens, the tolerance paradox hard at work.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At what point can we stop both sidesing everything? Is it when trans people are banned from public spaces? Is it when they're rounded up and put into camps to be converted back? At what point are opinions no longer valid to you? Because clearly wiping out an entire sector of people isn't that line.

Go read some history about fascism and come back when you're educated.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

I just want a global community of respect.

Some opinions are simply not worthy of respect. Like the opinion that there are two sides when it comes to someone's identity. Or that one race is superior to another.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

So LGBT people should just let themselves be disrespected and not do anything about it? That's basically what you're saying here because the people they are disrespecting have already disrespected them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I too didn't get enough love from my parents so must say inflammatory things on Internet forums to get strangers to argue with me to fill the hole in my heart.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yup, gonna have to get me one of those shirts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

"follow my political stances or I'll hurt you".

You should checkout Donald Trump. Sounds like y'all would have some stuff in common.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Tolerance paradox. Google it.

Banned for 7 days.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

And this should be viewed as a social contract, not as a moral standard. If you break the contract being intolerant you are out of it and other People shouldnt have to tolerate you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not intolerant to not tolerate intolerance. Tolerating intolerance is the one thing I won't tolerate.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

"I think respecting people is a political statement"

Get a life

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

"political stance"

Guess you also have stuff in common with Trump

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope, that's not the message here.

The message is "I don't like bullying"

Trump, on the other hand, is a bully

There's a difference

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"If you're homophobic or transphobic, I'll give you a real reason to be scared."

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