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[–] [email protected] 227 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree this is bullshit, but at least there’s a Reject All button which is far more than we probably would have got prior to the introduction of GDPR.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

reject() { accept(); } accept() { sendData(); }

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

If they did that, the EU would be on their heels.

You can bet they have been wary ever since the IE debacle.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Funny you say that. When I received this popup I noticed that hovering the mouse over one option, also highlights the other. Not suspicious at all!

[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait until the EU tells them (funny enough that their own lawyers didn't tell them?) that they are required to name each party specifically and together with the specific purpose of their data sharing.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They probably do in "Manage preferences". Stuff you can give to an intern to accomplish has never been a deterrent.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago

766 third parties

Facebook: look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Outlook also sends all your email, including those from other accounts, to their cloud. No questions asked. Oh, also your password, because why not?

https://cybernews.com/privacy/new-outlook-copies-user-emails-to-microsoft-cloud/

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Mails, passwords, calendars and contacts. Basically everything. Here's another blog article: https://mailbox.org/en/post/warning-new-outlook-sends-passwords-mails-and-other-data-to-microsoft

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sending the entire email content to their cloud isn't that good.

However an advantage to doing so is to be able to use push notifications on the app without having to poll continuously the email address from the device. Which in return reduces the battery usage compared to constant polling.

However, they could have done something like spark mail, only get the email subject, sender and a little bit of the content to put into the noficiation then delete after the push notificdation has been sent.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't even turn autosave on for Word docs anymore without letting Microsoft save your shit to the cloud.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

See, Microsoft cares so much about you they'll even make a backup of all of your emails, completely for free, without you even having to ask. And here you are complaining...

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Literally who would knowingly accept that

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being as I'm forced to use outlook for work... At least it's just my work persona they are tracking and selling? That guy is wild.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

They'll write "you're welcome" on your bathroom mirror when they track that you're in the shower.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fun fact! If you have outlook on your phone with a work account added, chances are IT has admin access to your phone and can remotely wipe it at any time. Also means that your phone can be collected as evidence if you or the company is involved in a court case possibly related to emails

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just put your work apps in your Work profile.

That's exactly why Android has this function, so they can only remotely access/wipe that profile. Everything in that profile is kept segregated from the rest of the system.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least there's a "Reject all" button.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (5 children)

God can you imagine.

768 collapsed areas for each one. You have to expand that area and click the small slider with a 3 second UI freeze each time you do.

Then at the end when you click apply, you get a spinning wheel with "Applying your choices" that seems like it has timed out.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is pretty much fandom

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's when I pop open the developer console and write some code to automate clicking them all out of spite

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thats gross. Just no. Use thunderbird or some other FOSS email client, at least outlook is somewhat limited with its spyware BS when you get mail through IMAP

Im tired of telling windows people something they already know. Its your choice to use a completely corporate cucked operating system for your personal computing, you don't get to clutch pearls and act suprised over it being complete spyware, or whenever microsoft decides it wants to erode your user experience just a little bit more because they can.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

All MS software should be considered spyware.

It's just a shame that Outlook doesn't really have an alternative with the same level of functionality (not without spending a while adding on a bunch of add-ons anyway), and many workplaces (including mine) enforce use of Outlook and other MS software.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly don't mind when workplaces enforce X or Y. It's not like any of my personal stuff goes on the work equipment anyway, nor is work stuff going on my personal equipment.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Don’t worry there actively working on making outlook as functional as the alternatives.

The “new version” appears like the browser version in a wrapper. So many features are just missing, like pinning a shared mailbox to your favorites.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The bullshit of hiding access to previously available features (i.e. editing distribution lists in the client version), to force migration is just evil, IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

How's Thunderbird nowadays?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The newest release is visually awful. It drove me crazy and I had to downgrade back to the last stable (102). The content density was wildly inconsistent and text would be squished in one area and really spaced out in another. The toolbar moved so action buttons were in the title bar area, away from where your mouse would be (compared to before) if you're interacting with your inbox.

Other than that, the old version works just fine. Multiple email accounts, calendar and contacts. It does the job. Minor nitpicks, like dark mode doesn't dark evwrything, you still have to manually change your reading window colours. But at least it's once and done.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

lol, glad i switched from outlook to protonmail

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How did you switch? What about existing email senders like your bank, etc? Are you forwarding your mails?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In general, you just tell them to use your new address, change your online accounts, etc. and for the transition phase, you either forward or, like I did, just have both accounts in your mail app until you’ve reached everyone who needs the new address

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I hate that it’s not possible to change your email address easily (or even at all) with some services. Tell me your website backend sucks without telling me your website backend sucks.

The crazy thing is it’s not even banking or finance websites that are ass backwards (as you would expect), it’s other random sites that just for whatever reason don’t have a proper account management.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

When you use the email as the account id.

Tell me you outsourced your application without telling me you outsourced your application

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a wonder how Outlook and Exchange Server are used by most companies, many of which have sensitive confidential and proprietary data. Choosing Microsoft is all about having someone to blame for your security problems, not achieving secure communications and storage.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

That then is one third party, one fourth party, one fifth party, …, and one 768th party, amirite?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Oh well as long as it's their legitimate interest, then by all means!

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