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I feel like the Fediverse hasn't yet reached the Eternal September moment, and I'm happy for that. A smaller footprint means we get to have our own culture.
On the other hand, even though it means losing this culture, I would like to see greater general adoption of the fediverse and decentralized social media in general. Sure, there will likely be some big-name domains serving fediverse instances, the same way email is primarily served by Gmail et al, but anyone should be able to spin up their own instance and interact as well. I don't believe Internet communication should be locked behind various walled gardens, and people should re-acclimatize themselves to a version of the Internet where anyone can host and contribute.
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And yet, all those bigger bubbles were once 1.5 million large at one point. You have to start somewhere.
Mastodon has 13 million.
Not sure where you got the stat for Fediverse as a whole on that.
https://fediverse.observer/stats
Probably using the monthly active users.
13mil seems to be total users.
It does look like Mastodon has around 9 million itself, that's a nice size. It also makes this graph wrong.
9 million is total user accounts. Not monthly active user accounts. Facebook has 3 billion monthly active user accounts. The chart is showing active monthly user accounts.
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We are small but cooler than the other ones
LinkedIn 930m? More than both Reddit and Twitter. I don’t believe this.
I'd wager the majority of them are dead/inactive accounts. I remember graduating from undergrad and thinking I had to make a LinkedIn account to get a job, used it for maybe 45 minutes, and never touched it again. I feel like this is the case with a lot of people
I'm suprised as well. But it says monthly active users. So I'm guessing they count distinct logins per month, which a dead account can't do. I'd guess it's probably bots looking for keywords and building profiles for recruiters.
Never use it if not applying for jobs or recruiting
It's only 30 million users, the other 900 million are recruiters.
Nearly 1/6th of the earth’s population are recruiters.
Do you know 6 people? One of them could be a recruiter
YouTube is vulnerable due to their low payouts and high ad insertion. You’d think someone like Amazon would be trying to steal some of that huge market share with a competing service.
Amazon doesn't want to start a division that's essentially guaranteed to be unprofitable for the foreseeable future
I'm gonna have to ask for a source on that...
I work for Amazon corporate. I can emphatically agree that right now, and for the past few post-COVID years, Amazon's only obsession is near term quarterly profits for stakeholders by any means necessary. To hell with long term investments. They are slowly sabotaging themselves internally with a lot of unpopular and frankly idiotic and nonsensical decisions that will ultimately result in cascading failure after failure. The enshittification continues.
If you want me to prove a negative, I can't do that.
Youtube isn't profitable. Youtube has never been profitable. Frankly that's incredibly unlikely to change. Amazon isn't going to try to break into a space that is unprofitable, would require a monumental effort to actually draw creators (since just offering big creators money clearly didn't work, see mixer or anyone else), and requires astronomical amounts of data storage even for AWS. They're especially not going to do that when they just spent the last however many years watching multiple people do a much smaller task, take on twitch (again, mixer and the like), with zero success.
Would I love to see a not completely awful proper alternative to Youtube? Yes. It's that going to come from Amazon? No. And no, peertube isn't the answer either, and won't be unless there's an easy path to monetization for existing creators and data storage magically becomes free
Not to mention, Amazon already owns multiple online video services with Prime Video and Twitch. The intersection of those two already cover a bunch of those bases, so you're talking about standing up an entirely new unprofitable service that needs it's own monolithic infrastructure and will end up competing with your own services, in order to try to take a third slice away from YouTube.
It's just no where near worth it. If you think Amazon has any business competing with YouTube, you don't understand A) how the market works B) how much of a technical undertaking that is C) how much lift it would take to get a reasonable number of creators to keep the platform active D) how financially unviable the product is. Even one of those on its own would be a serious dissuasion from doing so, but there are many reasons not to do this.
Amazon already has an ad sales division through FreeVee. They also already have the storage infrastructure. It would probably be a good fit.
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As someone posted, this is straight up wrong. Why would you source wikipedia? https://fediverse.observer/stats
- Mastodon is almost 9 million/month
- Lemmy is a little over 2 million/month
of which 1.1M are alien[.]top bots mirroring shit from reddit
- you can block them
- Reddit is mirroring a shit ton of stuff from twitter, youtube, etc.
- All social media has a lot of bots, I'm betting there are a lot less here because we're not on many people's radars yet.
What you say is true, but the person you replied to has a point. That site has nearly as many accounts as the rest of Lemmy combined, and most of the sites those bot users post to hardly leave any room for genuine discussion from real Lemmy users. You won't get a reply from any user registered to alien.top. It's basically Reddit with a coat of paint.
To me it's a misrepresentation to include alien.top users as part of Lemmy's userbase.
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Dang. I thought Twitter was bigger than Reddit for some reason.
You can thank Elmo for that 🤣
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I’m actually surprised by how large the fediverse is. I thought it was more like 50,000 at most.
It's even a wrong stat, there's 13 million, monthly active users.
And yet Facebook is the one platform I use the least often. I just don't see the appeal, let alone why I'd ever give a flying crap about what other people are doing. I only have a facebook page because my other family members use it to post and keep in touch.
But we have /u/stamets so the rest is moot.