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Most Canadians who plan on voting for the Liberal party are more motivated to stop the Conservatives from winning the election rather than endorsing the party's vision and leader, according to a new poll released on Monday.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this is why the LPC will never pass electoral reform (except for ranked ballot, because they're more likely to be everyone's second choice) because under full PR they'd never, ever, get another majority government despite having tepid support among the voting population. For the record, the CPC wouldn't even support ranked ballots as they're almost never the second choice of anyone (because their policies--when they can be bothered to articulate them--are unpopular, believe it or not)

For the record, no Canadian political party has had >50% of the popular vote in half a century, and even before then it was exceedingly rare. FPtP allows the LPC or CPC to sneak a majority in, anyways.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is also why the one thing Trudeau could do to make me respect him would be say, "I'm stepping down as leader. My last act as PM is to roll out legitimate proportional representation."

The Liberals are probably not going to win the next election no matter what; but legitimate reform would mean an end to autocratic majorities.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

He'd face a full caucus revolt if he tried. I'd expect the Liberals would prefer to lose a vote of confidence than implement PR.

Honestly, I think they'd also rather lose than implement anything remotely economically progressive.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Liberals and Conservatives love that people believe this country can't survive another election cycle of the other.

We'll survive another 4 years of the Liberals or Conservatives. What this country can't survive is alternating between two bad parties for another few decades.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vote NDP if you don’t want Cons to win, if voting Libs worked then this “threat” wouldn’t exist

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As much as I hate to admit it, voting for anything other than the liberals right now will be a win for the cons. Popular support for the NDP hasn't shifted from 20% support since 2021, meanwhile the cons are up to ~41% and the libs are down to ~27%.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not true! Trudeau got rid of the first past the post syst.... oh wait.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I vote Liberal I'd guarantee a conservative win in my riding...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Ugh this is what my wife told me she was planning yesterday.

Pollievre is so fucking nutty were both worried about the country of he wins.

I cannot stress enough how fucking stupid this guy is, hell take any idea that's popular at the time and run with it, like how he wanted to make Canada the crypto capital and neuter our central bank.

It's pretty fucking clear if we'd done that in 2021 we'd be fucked today. He's still peddling Bank of Canada and World Economic Forum conspiracy shit too. Yet the "fiscal" conservatives are fine with this?

So we've got the status PM quo that's overstayed his welcome by a full election cycle vs 4chan Millhouse. Great. (Oh, sorry, he took off his glasses now, is he still Millhouse?)

And the NDP are also responsible because they're sticking with Singh despite him being as uninspiring as Trudeau. They've only lost seats since picking him, but hey, why not stay the course... It's great the NDP got pharmacare rolling but the implementation is asinine.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ballot reform, for fuck's sake.

Approval Voting is where you check every name you like. Most votes wins. It's genuinely that simple, and there's no good reason what-so-ever it's not the global default.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow. It's hard to find a voting system I like less than FPTP, but you've found it! This only makes sense over STV if we don't have computers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

STV only makes sense for multi-winner elections. It fundamentally does not pick the best candidate - just the first who can scrape together sufficient support. A person can be literally everyone's second choice and still lose.

Approval is a straight improvement over FPTP - there is no good reason, at all, to prefer FPTP. It completely eliminates the way similar candidates cannibalize each other's votes. It minimizes self-defeating efforts to be "strategic" by ranking no-chance buttheads higher, or only giving your preferred frontrunner half a vote.

If you're gonna do ranked ballots to pick one candidate then use a Condorcet method.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can there be negative votes? So that not voting matters too

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nope.

What you're looking for is called Score Voting. Approval is just yes-or-meh. It is the simplest form of Score, and yet, it avoids a lot of self-defeating behaviors, has less reported regret than other systems, and somehow matches Condorcet results pretty reliably.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

The Liberal Party says "System working exactly as intended!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As is tradition. If you lean left, how could you vote for Conservatives?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think you're missing the point. These aren't people who lean left:

Meanwhile, three in five (63 per cent) Liberal supporters said they are more motivated to prevent a Conservative government rather than to support Trudeau and Liberal policies.

It sounds to me like they are fairly middle folks who think the left is closer to the middle than the right is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd call those people left leaning - or at least left leaning compared to wherever the fuck the CPC has decided to go.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm lucky, in a sense, that I don't have to make this decision. The only viable candidates in my riding are the Conservatives and the NDP, so I can actually vote my conscience.

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