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[–] grue@lemmy.world 181 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 79 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Note: This is sure as shit not meant to downplay or deny Israel's ongoing genocide. Only to point out the absurdity of some online leftists in simping for Hamas and expressing disbelief that far-right theocrats with a history of committing terrible crimes would commit terrible crimes.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I saw that, which is why I didn't label the character "OP." It was intended more of a response in general, not a specific criticism of you.

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[–] WallEx@feddit.de 91 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Its warcriminals fighting warcriminals, change my mind.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (15 children)

The only thing I can say is that both have no problem with harming combatants and civilians alike, but one side is disproportionately killing civilians with the resources at their disposal (Israel) just because they can.

I'm not convinced that Hamas wouldn't do the same if the tables were turned, but one side needs to be better if we're ever to see an end to this conflict.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. Hamas doesn't have any moral high ground, but the one that needs to be restrained at this moment in time is Israel.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always thought the IDF was supposed to be super skilled and tactical. I expected surgical strikes to take out terrorists and minimize civilian casualties. They had a reputation for strength.

Turns out they're either incompetent or they're genocidal or both. Hint: both.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Unfortunately, for those in the know, the IDF's callous and sadistic operations in Palestine have been known for some time. They had a good PR arm making themselves out to be super careful in the occupied territories, but it was always at odds with their actions.

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[–] sab@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I guess it's war criminals killing civilians, mostly.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah and so is Israel. I don't support either, I support Palestinians.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago
[–] polysexualstick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Very telling to (rightfully) say "both sides are bad" but not say "I support civilians on both sides". You know you can condemn a far right regime but still show solidarity with that country's population, right?

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I mean I said Israel, not Israelis, that was the hint.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Now that the terrorist attack is behind them, Isreali citizens arent currently being bombed the shit out of and active warzoned. Are they at risk of future terrorist attacks? Yes, but CURRENTLY its Palestinian citizens who are at a FAR higher risk

Edit: Lmao, apparently Tankies can see and reply to me even if I cant see them. I assume this is because I havent blocked them personally, but instance blocked Hexbear

Clarification to my Edit: Tankies if you are confused why Im insulting you even though you think I'm on the same side as you, Hamas can go fuck itself. Just like Isreal doesnt represent all Isreali citizens, neither does Hamas represent Palestinians. Isreal and Hamas can go fuck themselves, they are both pretty awful. I feel for Palestinians and consider them the most fucked over in this ordeal, but what Hamas did was VILE, even if what Isreal is doing in response is even more so

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[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many Israeli schools and hospitals are being bombed right now?

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[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who has ever said they're communists?

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Gotta keep that connection between violence and communism alive or people may start to think it's not true.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only people on Hamas' side are Netanyahu, the former Muslim Brotherhood, and Iran who all worked hard to keep Hamas well funded and in a position of authority. The important thing is to side with Palestine, not with Hamas.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (14 children)

And some online loons, but yes.

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[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Hamas is indisputably the enemy, the issue is that the tactics Israel uses to eliminate them also cause more civilian damage than should ever be acceptable. Often they target hospitals and schools where Hamas activity isn't even confirmed, seemingly just to cripple infrastructure and kill Palestinians.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It makes Palestinians leave, making it easier for them to get the land. Isreal has made no secret of wanting everything up to Jordan.

[–] EisFrei@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It also radicalizes them, creating the next generation of terrorists.

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[–] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The enemy" of who? If a group is elevated to being an enemy due to the killing of civilians, the Israel government would easily meet that standard before Hamas.

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[–] licherally@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I don't disagree with this, but Hamas was created by Israel, and now Israel is bombing all of Gaza because of Hamas. It really seems like Israel has been planning this genocide for a loooong time.

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[–] bort@feddit.de 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

who thought hamas was communist?

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Communist (noun)

  1. Anybody who trying to make Conservatives feel remotely guilty for being totally chill with a lot of people starving, being unhoused in unsanitary conditions and being denying life saving medical care because they are poor, foreign or inconvenient.

  2. Authoritarian bogeyman who will destroy civilization via terrorism

  3. Not a Republican

By the Conservative rubric of identifying communists we're pretty much all weilding a hammer and sickle.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Loons, mostly. There's been a multi-talk page dispute on Wiki, for example, over internet twits removing a sourced 'anti-communist' descriptor from the Hamas page that had been there for a while, because they want to believe that Hamas is aligned with them so very terribly badly.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

How is the political stance of Hamas relevant?

It's a terrorist group defending their country from an invasion. Even North Korea has the right to defend their land. Even if I don't agree with the way they manage their country, it's their country.

Their political stance is totally irrelevant to me.

For me the issue is that Hamas already lost, and Israel is violating every single human right until Palestinians are exterminated using Hamas as an excuse.

Hamas needs to stop fighting, they are a piece of shit because they aren't giving up. Israel has always been a piece of shit. The end.

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[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But you see, in a dialectical analysis, far-right terrorists like Hamas serve a progressive role by not being the US, and therefore deserve critical support by leftists who are definitely not crypto-fascists. —Marxist-Leninists

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

I see you've met Lemmygrad.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Note: This is sure as shit not meant to downplay or deny Israel's ongoing genocide. Only to point out the absurdity of some online leftists in simping for Hamas and expressing disbelief that far-right theocrats with a history of committing terrible crimes would commit terrible crimes.

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[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't justify the bombing of hospitals and civilians. Nobody likes Hamas but they're the result of Israel's illegal annexation of Palestinian territories and subsequent genocide.

What do you think the Palestinians who had their house and families expropriated, blown up and/or resettled by an Apartheid State will do? Not like/join the guys who want to get rid of Israel more?

Before Israel's bombing campaign, Hamas wasn't very popular among Palestinians, now however I assume Israel gave Hamas way more recruits.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Before Israel’s bombing campaign, Hamas wasn’t very popular among Palestinians,

That's not true in the least.

[–] abirdperson@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Not just not true. A deliberate lie.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The state of Israel is older than Hamas and Israel bombing Palestinians started before 7th of October 2023. I think the establishment of Hamas in 1987 and rising popularity till they got elected on Gaza in 2007 can be fairly attributed to Israel's bombing, displacement and apartheid rule of civilians.

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I don't know why it's so hard for certain people to understand that sometimes (actual most of the time), all sides are the bad guys.

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's incredible that this meme has a reason to exist, that there truly are people who refuse to accept the obvious, that Hamas is an extreme radical organization that feeds on hatred and is more than willing to use and abuse their own population as cannon fodder, for martyrdom-propaganda purposes.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep, and that the existence of Hamas doesn't give Israel the right to Genocide anyone. It seems really simple on the surface, but fucking Christ do humans love their team sports analogs.

"If you don't full-throated support Israel, you're antisemitic and must love Hamas"

I actually hate both, because both are doing extreme harm, but Israel is on a different level and actively supports Hamas because they're useful opposition. Hamas is a symptom of the oppression that Israel has instituted.

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[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The PPP are the Communist freedom fighters and Israel has funded Hamas for years to stop the PPP from coming into power. It's easier to fight radical fundamentalists than it is to fight socialists.

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[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah maybe but Netanyahu put Hamas in power, against recommendations, and blatantly obvious issues. It had to be purposeful so he had a target that "deserved" to be bombed, so the campaign for the last 70 years could speed up.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Weird, didn't know that people thought well of Hamas...

I kind of hate this meme format though because it's normally used to erect straw men, in my experience.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That part supporters of either group fail at is that neither Hamas or the Israeli government are worthy of support or in the right. One behaves worse than the other at the moment. But there can never be peace with those two in power. It's a really fucked situation and my heart really hurts for the people caught in the crossfire of it all.

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