Food for thought: Lemmy instance admins probably can’t afford $800 an hour corporate attorneys to fight off subpoenas.
this post was submitted on 10 Feb 2024
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Sure, but that's assuming the logs contain your ip in the first place.
Assume they do until proven otherwise
You can just look at the source code... no need to assume anything. You can't prove a negative lol
And this is why you VPN.
MFW I went to upvote but couldn't because "error: VPN blocked" 😑
Huh, I exclusively browse Lemmy through a VPN and I've never seen that one.
He's probably talking about reddit They no longer allow vpn's or any user obfuscators to browse the site
No they don't. I use the site with a VPN often and it generally works
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That would probably be because your instance is different. Lemmy.world has recently blocked VPN traffic apparently because of bad actors uploading CSAM behind VPN. I also had issues with Lemmy with my VPN this week and either need to split tunnel or need to browse Lemmy as view-only.
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That doesn't help instance admins at all, though.
It helps admins help you stay anonymous by relieving them from having to cover for you.
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Oops, I accidentally fired the sd card containing my instance running on my raspberry pie.
If that is really how you do it, you won't need to fry it, it will happen soon enough by itself.
Seriously. Lemmy is a house made of patchwork quilt, with a bit of pine sap here and there to steady the few boards.
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Would be a real shame if my instance's logrotate was set to, say, only keep a few days of webserver logs. Real shame.
Good luck establishing precedent with that!
Oh. They sued an instance? 😱
Anyway... here's another 5 hosted in Russia, or a country where piracy is legal, or just don't give a fuck.
ok but what if in losing the suit, they must give up the logs and IPs?
Before they go under?
like the instance and the people that discussed piracy will be hurt
and it will put fear in others
Not all instances keep logs...
Some intentionally discard them, look into the policys of the instance you're signing up to.
All your comments and posts are hosted on your parent instance then shared to the federated instances.
Some instances don't even let you sign up with an email or make it optional.
Lemmy.world keeps logs, but much more controversial instances often don't.
Also it's much more complex, because you have to think about the scope of the potential lawsuit as well as the given evidence that a user is actually sharing the material infringing on their copyright; which will not be a large amount of the user base. They can't simply sue a user for having an account, the user has to actively be sharing infringing material.
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I am so conflicted on which side should I be on :/
A rough translation of a brazilian quote for you: "In a fight between these guys, I cheer for the fight".
I'm gonna say this all the time now
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How is it hard to root for the anonymity of people? This is pretty cut-and-dry.
If the film industry wins that could be a really awful precedent. Just sayin'
You don't have to (and shouldn't) side with any for profit company
I'm glad Reddit won here because it sets a precedent that will protect less well-funded Lemmy instances.
Ever?
Small exception for when two for profit companies are fighting each other. At that point it becomes a question of which is the lesser evil.
So like the US elections.
They're the same picture.
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If you think reddit is on your side, think again.
Reddit can eat my ass with a spoon
Exactly, but it's still a helpful win regardless.
Film industry obviously didnt pay enough
Firms wanted seven years' worth of IP address logs
I doubt - or hope they don't - Reddit stores them for that long?
Le reddit wins legain, m'fellows!
You'll never narwhal my bacon, see!
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What is reddit?
An instance with poor interoperability and boot licker admins.
Baby don't hurt me
For real tough, Steve can suck diseased dicks in hell.
It was insane to think they would comply with this to begin with. Downloading pirated media isn't illegal, neither is discussing piracy. What is illegal is redistribution, and good luck proving that on a large scale community like this.
EDIT: These are 2 USA based companies, US Laws apply to this context.
Careful with this. Downloading pirated content can definitely be illegal depending on where you live.
It's just not usually enforced as heavily as redistributing.
More specifically there is no US Federal Law about obtaining pirated works, only the Redistribution
17 U.S. Code § 506 - Criminal offenses
(a)Criminal Infringement.—
(1)In general.—Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed—
(A)for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(B)by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180–day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or
(C)by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.
(2)Evidence.—
For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement of a copyright.
(3)Definition.—In this subsection, the term “work being prepared for commercial distribution” means—
(A)a computer program, a musical work, a motion picture or other audiovisual work, or a sound recording, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution—
(i)the copyright owner has a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution; and
(ii)the copies or phonorecords of the work have not been commercially distributed; or
(B)a motion picture, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution, the motion picture—
(i)has been made available for viewing in a motion picture exhibition facility; and
(ii)has not been made available in copies for sale to the general public in the United States in a format intended to permit viewing outside a motion picture exhibition facility.
So, basically, downloading cracked adobe products is always right. It's always morally acceptable. But your provider is risking their ass.
The big industry names want to make you believe that you'll be punished for downloading a car. It's all fearmongering.
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Fuck Reddit.
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