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[–] [email protected] 288 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't see them joining anything?

I mean, let's be real, what major function has Mozilla implemented into Firefox that hasn't been opt-out? And no, UI doesn't count, I'm talking features.

The problem isn't the existence of AI. The problem is the inescapably of it and how, under Microsoft or Google, it will harvest your data whether you like it or not. When you tell them "fuck off, leave me alone, and keep my words out of your AI's mouth", they're not going to listen. Profit motive requires them to invade.

Mozilla is a non-profit, and they've long been very good about letting you opt out things, and listening. I'm not worried about them putting AI into Firefox, because I can be reasonably sure it will be optional, in a way I know the others won't.

I'd rather they didn't go chasing this car at all, to be honest, because they're not likely to catch it, but whatever. They're renewing focus on the browser and I'm taking that as a win.

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[–] [email protected] 231 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We already have AI in Firefox. And not gonna lie, offline (I.e. absolutely private) translations for webpages is pretty neat.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s really good but I do wish it supported more languages like Russian or Japanese. So far most of the times I have had to translate a page, Firefox didn’t support the language.

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

Things to add to your product when you want to look hip and trendy, but dont have any real ideas how to make your product better:

  • 1990s: visitor counter
  • 1995: Popups
  • 2000s: flash intros
  • 2005: stock photography
  • 2010: local weather widget
  • 2015: share to social media widgets
  • 2020: fullsize 4k background stock videos
  • 2024: AI assistant
[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

1995: animated gifs, , guest books, site rings!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

"Under Construction" GIF

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

You forgot about blockchain and NFTs.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

How about, and run with me on this, Mozilla stops trying to be Microsoft and Google and instead just provides the cleanest, most barebones-yet-privacy-oriented browser? Will they ever have market dominance? No, and they never will even with AI tools. Fuck AI and what it's doing to the planet and fuck all of the capitalists enshittifying The Last Browser.

We need a new Foundation willing to develop a fork.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

A browser could be top dog if it was just less shitty than the others, like the Brother printers, that print without bloatware and mob tactics of HP.

We want a browser that just browses.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

uggggggggggh. I'm using Firefox because chrome is really going too far with it's manifest v3 garbage killing decent adblockere and Firefox is basically the only non chromium based option. Please for the love of everything that is holy. Just. Make. Your. Browser. Better. Don't need ai gimmicks. Definitely don't need to lay people off. You need to get back on track. Holy heck. This is the worst.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

AI will be great for translation of webpages locally instead of sending content over the wire

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can get behind this if everything is processed locally. Let my computer do the computing and stop harvesting my data, internet

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago

Gonna have to pass on that one good buddy. Don't shit up Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FUCKING NO MOZILLA YOU WERE OUR LAST FUCKDAMN HOLDOUT

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (15 children)

why the fuck would I need an AI in a browser? 0 fucks given for this "feature". firefox is devolving into an edge.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nowadays we are supposed to need AI everywhere. I'm waiting for my AI bidet so that I can chat with it when I do my business.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

"What is my purpose?"

"You wash my asshole when I poop"

"Oh my god"

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the browsers, not leave it in darkness!

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

From what I understand, they're divesting resources that aren't in Firefox or at least involved in a trustworthy/open source AI project.

I see a lot of people in this theead are upset at this, but I'm tentatively excited. If they can pull off a good AI engine, especially built into the browser, that would be nice. If it had offline capabilities, that would be amazing.

Even if they can pull off a good AI solution that's not built into Firefox but it's offline, I'd be really excited. I'm not crazy about having especially detailed and intimate information being thrown to some vendor out there, not knowing where it's going. Modern AI can do some amazing things, but a lot of them reserve the right to have a human read whatever you put in them and warn you about that. This is too limiting to me for my preferred use-cases.

One concern I have is that Firefox and its engine are one of the last non-chromium browser platforms that have a household name and are FOSS. So to me, that has to be the first goal to keep healthy. Maybe the AI thing will help in this respect

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People read the headline and get angry, then want to tell everyone how angry they are. It's a badge of honour - look guys, I'm also angry.

Reading into their AI plans - it's to be run completely locally using only the data you want to give it, and it doesn't send info back to Mozilla.

Now, personally, my biggest issues with AI is data collection and where the training data comes from. It seems for FF, neither of these will be problematic, so I don't see the issue.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Been saying the writing is on the wall for their enshittification for months. On lemmy. Every time I end up with 20+ downvotes.

Eat me. Here it comes.

Still using Firefox until it officially sucks, but if you haven't seen it coming you've been willfully ignorant.

I expect a Ubuntu fork packaged with Firefox a la windows 98/IE as a paid OS in the next 5 years to try to undercut Microsoft. Or something. Idk the future.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago

Fuck sake. Sick of ai being added into everything. Please dont ruin firefox

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Enshittification continues.

I wonder when Steam will go.

[–] perdvert 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It'll go when they go public.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whyyyy Mozilla? I want to love you, rally, but you wont let me.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I want a upvote for sharing, down vote the concept button. I hate it.

As much as I hate it, think it's a terrible part for a free, open, and secure web; it's probably a solid business move based on the hype.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Votes are meant only to increase or decrease visibility, especially on Lemmy where karma doesn't exist.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

What a sad day to be alive. I want to believe nothing bad will happen but this is scary

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (7 children)

as Firefox is the only browser that can't trace its lineage back to Apple and WebKit

What a slap on Konqueror's face.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hate that they are laying people off. I do however want to use some machine learning powered adblock, for those harder to block ads. otherwise I don't feel like every app needs an AI assistant. It's bad for the Internet generally and for the power grid.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In theory, that sounds amazing.

In practice, it will most likely need to send the contents of your browser to some third-party server. No, thanks.

(Unless it's crowdsourced, like the first person to visit a page gets dinged, but then the next persons just downloads the set of rules instead of uploading content.)

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

So to recap, your choices are

  1. One of 70 flavors of Chromium including the "privacy centric" Opera who run Chinese loan shark gangs for some reason, Edge which is Microsoft Chromium and aside from hardware acceleration capabilities is pretty meh, and Brave which despite operating their own separate search engine index are one of the most likely to sell your data and/or kidneys

  2. Rapidly Enshitifying Firefox

  3. Safari - no comment

  4. Whatever the fuck Gecko is...

  5. Tor Browser (for people with infinite time to wait for pages to load, or maybe just drug dealers)

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's a very good way of me leaving Firefox behind...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To go where, though? Lynx? Everything else is Chromium and that's not much better.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The paradox of tech right now "we are going to build the most complex technology known to man into our product in the next 12 months. Are we hiring record numbers of people to get it done? No. We fired a bunch of people and everyone else will just have to be extremely hardcore."

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

I hope the folks laid off land on their feet.

I'm starting to think FF is being deliberately run into the ground by the higher ups. It would be good to hear from some of the devs about their thoughts on all this.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And I’m still waiting for them to open source Pocket. Silly me.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay, well I'm ready to write a angry email now who's with me? Anybody know the best address?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

An exclusively locally running, opensource LLM might be a good thing though. In my amazing dreams where that's what they're planning to do.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

This surprises people? Mozilla has always been Mozilla's biggest enemy.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

This is how you lose. I only use FF. I will switch to another browser if they enshittify with AI.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well guys we had a good run, free and open source software is officially over

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Honestly, it sucks, but I expected hundreds in line with the other huge layoffs we’ve seen. It being 60 seems more reasonable

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