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A painting of Lord Balfour housed at the University of Cambridge’s Trinity College was slashed by protest group Palestine Action.

The painting of Lord Balfour was made in 1914 by Philip Alexius de László inside Trinity College. The Palestine Action group specifically targeted the Lord Balfour painting, describing his declaration as the beginning of “ethnic cleansing of Palestine by promising the land away—which the British never had the right to do.”

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[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 228 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Probably the only type of destruction of art as protest I condone. The piece:

  1. Is not very old or culturally/historically important
  2. Directly depicts someone at the root of this conflict
  3. Was deliberately targeted and the reasons layed out

Trying to destroy unrelated art work is just wasteful of our shared human heritage. Attacking symbols of oppression however is perfectly valid in my opinion and is to me perfectly reasonable escalation when peaceful protests obviously do not bring the changes needed.

I put this on the same level as African Americans attacking statues of confederate generals and other proponents of slavery to hammer home their point.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Probably the only type of destruction of art as protest I condone. The piece:

Is not very old or culturally/historically important
Directly depicts someone at the root of this conflict
Was deliberately targeted and the reasons layed out

About where I'm at. Normally I get immensely irritated by 'protesters' who go and vandalize unrelated and historically important artwork, but this isn't particularly objectionable.

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[–] auraness@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Another important detail to consider is that these pieces are really only worthwhile for their historical value. I would argue that this response is more significant than the original production of the painting.

If anything, the value of this painting will increase due to the added historical value of this event.

[–] dept@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago

actually later on this will add more historical value to it.

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[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 222 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It’s from the 20th century, and of the guy directly responsible for the mess in Palestine today as well as his shit in Ireland.

I’m about as outraged about this as I would be a Jew slashing a “historical” painting of Hitler.

I wonder if in a hundred years people will be upset over Trumps portrait getting ruined?

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we are going to shed tears for the loss of culture, then the loss of Roman era bath houses and early Christian churches in Gaza is quite a bit more concerning to me than this painting.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Based. Take those genocidal maniacs off the wall.

[–] iain@feddit.nl 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or leave it: I think it's improved this way: a terrible man, a mediocre painting, in context with the ongoing genocide he put into motion. It invites the viewer to wonder what kind of legacy the rich folk who paid for these paintings have.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hope they put it in the Genocide museum, not on the wall of a university as some hero

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 85 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Take a look at everyone clutching their pearls over this painting and think about what doesn't upset them

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh no, a painting! So much more important and relatable than children dying. That happens all the time.

/s

Edit: I'm agreeing with the above point, folks. Lives are more important than paintings. We need a lot more outrage about people dying and less about property damage.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Has this prevented any kids from dying? Or is it in addition to children dying? Can people be upset at two (or even... three!) things at the same time?

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[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they punched a baby, instead, which is actually better than what's going Gaza, would it be wrong for people to be upset about them taking it out on something that has nothing to do with the criminals they are protesting?

It's a dumb thing they did and they are a piece of shit. But what Israel is doing is Gaza is infinitely worse. It completely reasonable and easy to hold these two positions at the same time.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Uh... Balfour definitely has something to do with Israel.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Israeli army is retreating in fear. Now it's a painting, next time they might smash a vase!

The thing is that the is plain useless. Nobody is going to have a change of heart because somebody slashed a painting. If anything I think it can have a slight effect on the opposite direction.

It's also very interesting, some people defending this action and upset about Israels invasion seem very chill about Russia's invasion...

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 75 points 1 year ago

This has the same energy as destroying confederate general statues. Good on them.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There was a news article a day or two ago about a pensioner vandalising a statue of Thatcher. I feel the same way about this act as I did that - good on the perpetrator.

Unless a work of art is housed somewhere meant to cause reflection on all the actions a person took in their full context which includes making clear the problematic acts of the subject, they shouldn't be somewhere clearly meant to commemorate them. And if they are, then they're fair game.

[–] iain@feddit.nl 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The comments are full of people who value one shitty painting more than they value human life.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or people who can’t see any causal pathway between slashing the painting and lives being saved.

[–] iain@feddit.nl 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a form of protest. Protest against against Britains continued support for genocide and in this case even the root cause of the current situation. It's great symbolism and nothing of value was lost.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hang on a tick. Is that my old cheese? My good-time boy?! Or is he but a simple human man?

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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's how you get negative attention

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If this attracts negative attention, Imagine the one commiting genocide could attract.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Billions in aid and weapons?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sure, but also other repercussions like an old man asking you to maybe genocide a bit less, and we can't have that.

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[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 34 points 1 year ago

I know right! At first it infuriates you, then you find out it was the guy who started this Palestine mess, and that it was a directly targeted attack.

Not blocking some road, gluing your hands to something, or throwing stuff at art behind glass and generally doing something that actually has any relation to your cause.

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[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Look, you wanna protest and shit? Go ahead, but if you start vandalizing art in museums you instantly lose my sympathy.

[–] TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 1 year ago (13 children)

If art of the dude responsible for the genocide makes you lose sympathy for the victims, then maybe it’s time to stop pretending you care at all and just embrace the genocide.

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is like taking down Confederate statues.

Why y'all worshipping assholes?

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[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently you didn't read the article, the guy had a direct role in the destruction of Palestine

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[–] m13@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Ugh. You insufferable robots moved over here from Reddit? At least you’re being downvoted.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Wow lets destroy history thats a great idea maybe it will help us repeat it. Fucking morons

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do you cry about confederate statutes too?

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Yes because I wanted to shit on them before they got toppled.

But hey, while we're on the topic, I wanna give you some perspective on one of the types of people who defends confederate statues. Buckle up, it's a long personal read.

Growing up a white Jew in Texas, we were taught about the civil war and about how it started over lots of things, but our teachers were pretty open that it was about slavery. We got taught about brother fighting brother and that we lost and that slavery is bad, yadda yadda (I say it so blasé because that's kinda how it was treated). As young students, we'd be really upset by these concepts and the teachers would reassure us that all this was a long time ago and everything's all better now and that racism is dead. Then they'd take us to see a fun little Civil War reenactment.

This Civil War reenactment was this cute thing where we elementary school students would go to a fair and get either an American flag or a Confederate flag and you're told that you have to cheer for your side. You're told not to worry if you're on the winning side or the losing side cuz we're all here to have a good time! I got a Confederate flag. Of course, I was sad, my side was gonna lose! Overall, it was a pretty fun day, though.

I went home with my losing-side flag, and I used some thumb tacks to put it up on my wall. My Dad said I probably shouldn't do that and I said that I know they lost but it was a lot of fun. Why wouldn't my parents want me to have a souvenir from my fun day? So, there it remained on my wall. Just like the posters on the walls of my classrooms. Posters of General Lee, the Confederate flag, the Declaration of Independence... You know, American history things.

You see? It's ok to have a Confederate flag on my wall, cuz I'm not racist. Racism is dead. Sure, our side lost, but it's just part of history: things from long ago. That's why we need to have posters and statues to remind us of these things that happened a long time ago. Statues help you remember things. Like great people, such as George Washington, Davey Crockett, the Minutemen..., Confederate soldiers..., Sam Houston. Obviously, all great people, cuz they had statues and statues are made of great people...

Fast forward to high school and I'm now in a Jewish youth group. We're a bunch of silly guys and we open every meeting with the pledge of allegiance. The meeting guide we follow, which is nearly a century old, says to honor the colors of America—being such silly guys, we would have everyone check their underwear and would say the pledge to up to three guys with red, white, and blue underwear. When I became the chapter vice president, I decided that our practices were disrespectful and decided to put a flag inside our mobile podium.

So, I took my souvenir Confederate flag, now left hanging for nearly a decade, and I pinned it inside the podium. At our next meeting, we said the pledge to the Confederate flag. The youth group advisors said nothing cuz we were such silly young guys and boys will be boys. Plus, it was just a Confederate flag, exactly like the ones on classroom walls, on our statues, at our theme park.

Not long after this, one of our black Jewish friends joined our youth group. Really, his family were just about the only black people that most of us knew. When he attended our first meeting after I'd added the Confederate flag, he grew livid seeing us say the pledge to such an artifact of hatred. Her lectured us and told us to remove it, but everyone defended our use of the Confederate flag.

Surely, he was joking when he said that it made him uncomfortable, it was no different than the dozens of other Confederate flags around town and in classrooms. We all played along with his, what we thought was pretend, anger. I jokingly said something about the flag being there to represent the colors of the United States; someone else made a joke about our black friends being part of the colors of the United States. I laughed loudly and senselessly repeated this awful and offensive joke to the treasurer to make sure he put it in the meeting minutes so we could laugh again at our next meeting.

Our now revictimized friend shouted at us and then loudly and passionately explained how offensive we were being and why, which was honestly more than we deserved and more patient than I think I could ever be if I were in his position. A number of the guys didn't get it at all, and I only understood that I'd hurt my friend's feelings, but I didn't understand how or why he was hurt so badly. All that I knew was that I did something bad starting with that flag and that I needed to make things right, so I offered to let him burn my flag.

Fortunately, he accepted and we all watched him burn this silly little souvenir. As I watched my childhood memory burn and considered what an extreme measure it took to help my friend feel better, I started to understand that part of the problem for our friend was how casually we were willing to accept offensive imagery. And that our ideas which hurt him because of his race and the jokes that we made as part of it proves that racism was alive and well as living among us. That day, I began to recognize that my entire life since being young to that moment, we'd been surrounded by propaganda which convinced us that the Civil War was not that bad, that the villains were cool guys, and that racism was dead.

So to everyone who says that statues should be left alone and aren't hurting anyone, you tell them about how they're such powerful propaganda that it was able to guide a group of Jewish boys to innocently pledge allegiance to a Confederate flag and mercilessly harass a beloved friend as a joke. Those "harmles" mementos are propaganda and they only confuse the young masses who study them in school.

Crush and burn all of the statues and flags and teach the kids the fucking truth. This shit isn't a game and we need to stop letting people act like it is. Burn them all. Not another child should be indoctrinated by these atrocious symbols. It happened to me and it needs to never happen again.

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[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Apparently you didn't read the article, the guy had a direct role in the destruction of Palestine

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