For those that have had enough of the Elon Musk worship online.
No flaming, baiting, etc. This community is intended for those opposed to the influx of Elon Musk-related advertising online. Coming here to defend Musk or his companies will not get you banned, but it likely will result in downvotes. Please use the reporting feature if you see a rule violation.
Opinions from all sides of the political spectrum are welcome here. However, we kindly ask that off-topic political discussion be kept to a minimum, so as to focus on the goal of this sub. This community is minimally moderated, so discussion and the power of upvotes/downvotes are allowed, provided lemmy.world rules are not broken.
Post links to instances of obvious Elon Musk fanboy brigading in default subreddits, lemmy/kbin communities/instances, astroturfing from Tesla/SpaceX/etc., or any articles critical of Musk, his ideas, unrealistic promises and timelines, or the working conditions at his companies.
Tesla-specific discussion can be posted here as well as our sister community /c/RealTesla.
I just want to remind everyone that Mark Bankston was one of the litigators during Alex Jones' civil suit. And he won that case with a 1.5B$ judgement in favor of the Sandy Hook parents. I suggest everyone get a metric fuckton of popcorn if he brings a case against Musk.
Why is everyone putting $ at the end now?
I’ve seen it this way for folks that are from Europe.
It's the French way to do it, not sure about the others.
Seems to be a pretty common thing all around Europe. It's how we use € here in the Nordics too
Dutch spell euro in front of amount, but say amount in front of euro.
Europeans don't have $.
I do, they're leftover from when I was last over there. There's maybe 600$ in a drawer somewhere.
In Swedish we write something like 10 SEK or 10:- (the dash is a substitute when there's no fraction of a Krona, otherwise it would be some like 10:50 (the latter part, "öre", typically written in smaller letters) or 10,50 kr)
You don’t say dollars 1.5 billion, or pesos 1.5 billion, or yuan 1.5 billion.
It actually makes more sense linguistically for it to follow than come before the amount.
It’s funny that you listed pesos, because Spanish adds ¿ before questions, sort of like an opening quotation mark. So the reader knows it’s a question right at the beginning, instead of getting all the way to the end of the sentence. I’d argue that adding the currency symbol before the number informs the reader that the following number will be a currency amount. Potentially handy when you’re dealing with multiple kinds of numbers at the same time.
I would argue that for that to make a lick of sense we would also be saying cows 100k, sheep 1.2m.
So not handy at all when it’s the only outlier.
Not sure why something has to extrapolate to every context you can think of in order to make a lick of sense, especially when talking about language and writing systems, which almost always have exceptions.
This is why I always find it a joy to use the % sign, it just makes sense how you read 10% as ten percent.
There should be a petition for it to be written %10 in the US.
Except putting it in front let's you understand what the number is that you're reading before you read it. It's not 1.5B people. It's not 1.5B paper airplanes. You know it's dollars being discussed as you read the number. For understanding, I'm reasonably confident it makes more sense to out it in front.
If it makes more sense to put the unit before the number, then couldn't one argue we should be writing people1.5B or airplanes1.5B? That way we know what it is before we read the number.
Sure. Some languages do that. It's totally viable. Our language doesn't work that way though so you won't see it, outside of money.
Come up with a new symbol character for each of those and and I'll do just that.
Because it's in dollars, maybe?
In English its standard to write it as $1.5B. You could be from Quebec or Europe? But then I might expect 1,5B$. Shrug.
European. Noggie, to be specific. I've given up on remembering which to use as decimal point when typing english, but context usually makes it clear.
Noggie = Norwegian?
Yes, but I heard somewhere recently that it's (mildly) derogatory. I guess that's our N-word. It's only offensive if you say it.
It's supposed to go before the number, not after. It should have been written $1.5B. The British do the same thing with the pound.
Both you and the brits are doing it wrong, then.
Then so is the Australian Dollar, Canadian Dollar, Euro (in English), Chinese Yuan and Japanese Yen, Russian Ruble, Indian Rupee...
Interestingly enough, the yen is written in front when you use the yen symbol that's internationally recognized, as in ¥1000, but locally in Japan they often put the word for yen (円) on price tags instead, and that goes after the number, as in 1000円.
Who decided that there was a right and a wrong way?
he has won dollar 1.5 Billion?
Because the reason why we did it the other way, with the $ in the front was because of checks since checks have gone out of fashion for nearly 20 years now. It makes sense to put the $ sign to the back since you say fifty dollars.
Because it is the proper way to do it. You don't put cents symbol at start. Also in tech dollar sign at end means terminate or end. So pick either.
Also in tech dollar sign at end means terminate or end
And one at the start is for $Variables, like how much money one has in their bank account.
Still prefer what it means in assembly. As other languages update and change. But assembly stays the same.
I was coming here to post the same thing. He's been a guest on the Knowledge Fight podcast a few times and is an absolute delight to listen to.
And Musk actually has the money to pay a judgment of that size.
Oh I hope he learned how use gummy worms
Fun fact: slander is spoken, libel is written.
So Musk didn't slander the innocent man, he made a libelous accusation against an innocent man.
The good part? Legally, there's absolutely no difference so I hope this poor guy's client wipes the floor with Musk.
"That's ridiculous, slander is spoken, libel is written!"
There's no legal distinction, it's only defamation.
Fun fact. At least through the early 1800s, the First Amendment did not protect you from criminal defamation no matter how truthful your words were.
People v Croswell. A reporter, Croswell, discovered that Jefferson was paying a reporter to attack Adams and call Washington a traitor. He wrote an article on it.
Jefferson pressured the NY AG to bring forward charges of defamation. Croswell argued in court that he could not be defaming Jefferson because he had proof the actions occurred. The Court ordered the jury to only base their opinions on whether or not the statements were published. They found him guilty.
He appealed to the NY SC, this time with Hamilton representing him. Hamilton argued that the truth should always be an absolute defense against defamation. After all, it can't be defamation if it's factual. They ruled against him as well.
He appealed to the SCOTUS. Hamilton presented the same arguments: what Croswell wrote were facts, he could prove they were facts, and defamation should only apply to lies. They were split 2-2 which upheld his sentence and de facto prevented truth from applying as a defense to defamation.
While many states enacted laws providing truth as an absolute defense, it wasn't until over a century later that the Constitutional opinion changed and allowed the defense.
I'm pretty sure he was making a movie reference as a joke
It’s wild that the trumposphere’s pathological need to lie about everything has resulted in Slander going from a seldom used and rarely advisable civil charge to file, to a completely normal and reasonable mitigating action to take against one entire half of our political system.
Tangential as well, Mark Bankston was one of the prosecuting attorneys in Alex Jones' TX trial for his slander and libel ('cause he definitely did both) of the families of Sandy Hook victims. So on top of dunking on Musk, he's also a good attorney? Seems like a pretty cool dude.
I've met quite a few attorneys lately and it has really changed my opinion to something other than the American public default of "scum sucking lawyers". In fact, the only attorney I've met that actually is a scum sucking piece of shit is a city manager. The other private attorneys are all awesome and do a fair bit of pro bono work.
Fuck the police.
This is a slam dunk lawsuit.
Tangental, but who needs deepfakes when a bit of old school Photoshop is misleading enough.
