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4GB of dependencies shared across loads of apps
The horror... That's almost 0,4% of my drive!
Its good if all many apps use them. But the problem is when you have to install one 10mb app and it pulls 4gb deps.
Also i don't know what is flapak runtimes which are big and different versions of them are required for different apps
Indeed, for a single app it might be a lot, considering it's a single app. But even then it's not a lot of disk space out of what people have. But with every additional app, that additional space use lessens thanks to shared runtimes and dedupping.
Also i don't know what is flapak runtimes which are big and different versions of them are required for different apps
I think a few of the most used one cover most apps, but even with different runtime versions and I think even different runtimes, thanks to dedupping it should only use extra space for stuff that's actually different between the two. Two instances of the same library in different runtimes would only use the space of one, afaik.
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I use Flatpaks mostly because I like having my base os and gui minimal as possible. Every thinking that is not core os I install as a flatpak. This is great because I didn't have to install dependencies like lib32 and other libraries on my root partition. Lean and mean.
But doesnt each flatpak is packed with its own dependencies? So bascially you have the same dependency over and over.
No, each runtime is only used once. You only get duplicates for apps that use different runtimes or for dependencies that are bundled in the app.
dependencies that are bundled in the app
Isn't flatpaks exactly this?
No, it's a layered model like Docker. They depend on various images that can be shared across applications targeting the same runtime.
Didn't know that, intresting, thank you.
Some are bundled, lots of the deps come from runtimes that are collections of deps. And many apps use those same runtimes. It's sorta middle point between bundling everything and sharing everything.
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You may be thinking of AppImage. That's one file that contains everything.
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Flatpak don't be like this at all.
I suppose it might seem like that if you install it just for a singular app. Then the runtime + possible drivers are a hefty load. But everything after that, the weight of the deps proportional to the apps gets lighter through shared runtimes, drivers, dedupping and so on.
Some go to install a singular flatpak and are horrified by the amount it tries to install and never look back. Which I sorta get, though if that their level of familiarity with flatpak they might not be the best people to partake in the dep/flatpak/snap/appimage fights. But they still do.
Yes, the same can be said if you run GNOME and install a single KDE app or vice-versa. And hereβs my petition to convert DigiKam to FLTK so everyone can enjoy it.
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Yeah storage is cheap but I last reformated my boot drive in 2017 so my root partition is 20GB and now I have no room for Flatpak. Now I could just resize it but wheres the fun in that.
TL:DR "A 20GB root partition ought to be enough for anybody."
You can have flatpak install it's stuff into your home with the --user flag.
I seriously want to switch some of the small distros like tinycore as a daily driver.
1GB of RAM and 4GB disk space is more than enough for all but the most bloated apps.
I've put steam on a librebooted chromebook with similar stats, it has to install games on a usb drive/sd card but it works quite well even for casual linux gamers
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I use flatpaks on my desktop all the time, no issue with storage space. But my laptop with only 128gb SSD starts sweating.
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I used it after getting frustrated with the AUR. Never looked back unless the package wasn't on Flatpak or had an AppImage.
AUR is for esoteric shit, what were you trying to get on there that had a flatpak lol
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Flatpak is crazy inefficient, but at least I can get software that is not yet on distro repos. It will get better.
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I found a QT app today. Uncompiled file size: 1 MB. Compiled size: 100 MB
Yeah, completely normal for Qt... well, if you bundle everything that is. If it depends on shared libraries, should't be larger than 10MB or so.
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I just use appimages, they are even smaller than native packages many times due to their compression, for example libreoffice being 300 vs 600 MiB, librewolf 110 vs 330 MiB, etc.
When you've got decent Internet and storage is cheap....
I haven't had any real issues with Flatpaks outside of them not following my GTK theme which I fixed with Flatseal.
flatpak is about permission:
https://github.com/tchx84/Flatseal
the fact that gtk, qt, firefox pull in a hundred deps is their own problem.
not a problem per se..
ask software to install itself twice and it becomes noticable how enormous the code is.
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