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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 266 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

People need to stop holding Jobs up as some deity of tech. He was a marketing and hype man that was in the right place at the right time and knew how to take advantage of that luck. Nothing more, nothing less. It is equally possible his leadership style would have squandered the opportunities Apple has had since his death had it been him and not Cook in charge.

By any metric other than "line must always go up" Apple is doing just fine.

"Oh no, they haven't found another multi hundred billion dollar product to release since the iPhone, even though there are no signs that the iPhone won't continue to be a very profitable business for years and years to come...better go dig up Steve jobs, shove a stick up his back, magic his corpse back to life, and beg him to save the shareholders profit margins", the horror.

[–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He was very much the Elon Musk of his times, and it's very possible he would have gone down the same route of extremist views and decisions that completely failed because of his egoism.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 144 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He died because he didn't listen to his doctor's advice. That is somewhat extreme.

[–] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 102 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Had pancreatitis because of his diet. A diet in which he thought would magically avoid creating body odor.

It turned into cancer. He lucked out that it was a rare form of treatable pancreatic cancer with a 90% survival rate 5 years out. Which is abnormal as most forms of pancreatic are essentially a death sentence. Survival rate past 3 years is under 10% for the more common variants.

Stuck to his diet anyway. Ignored his doctors. Died to an illness he had a 90% chance of beating because he knew better.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And to top it all off, it didn't help his body odour at all. He stank.

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[–] jve@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

He also jumped the line to get a liver transplant once he, presumably, decided maybe there’s a chance the diet thing wouldn’t work out.

Died shortly thereafter, wasting a perfectly good liver.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/business/23liver.html

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[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

He believed in the teachings of a 20th century cultist who said you excreted mucus based on dietary choices, and therefore didn't have to worry about health or bathing unless you ate poorly. (Stinky dude who also made an 8 yr old cry for eating a cheeseburger).

Wish everyone health but guy was as extreme as it gets in regards to being an asshole. Denied his daughter, settled child support days before taking Apple into the public market, etc.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be fair, we saw formerly what Apple without jobs did, it was a failure. So one might wonder when the new Apple might run out. The catch being that the iPhone, app store, and iTunes are all indefinite money machines, except maybe iPhone one day. So they had a steak of ever increasingly wildly successful products that culminated in the iPhone and then no mind blowing follow-up, but they don't need one. Folks may like the narrative that Jobs death coincided with their last big product category though

We also saw Jobs without Apple, also pretty much a failure.

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[–] Skkorm@lemmy.world 221 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The amount of credit people give Steve Jobs is such a kick to the nuts to all the engineers that designed those products

[–] arc@lemm.ee 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jobs basically had one job - be the screaming obnoxious asshole in charge who harangued the engineers until they came up with something to his liking. And then took the credit when they did. Basically just the Elon Musk of his day.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Except I can look at Jobs' history and see an actual progression in technology. With Musk there is literally nothing but nonsensical hyped up promises.

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[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Crying smelly barefoot goblin man. Jobs was such an asshole.

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[–] filister@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The same with Musk. People are seeing him as the sole engineer of Tesla and SpaceX while in reality anonymous engineers did all this possible.

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[–] lengau@midwest.social 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But did they wear jeans and black turtlenecks?

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Im not gonna sit here and shill for people like job and musk. But i have to say there is somethkng to be said about steering a ship in the right direction.

Jobs knew how to market the products, and steer the engineers in the right direction.

One thing he always said was that there only needed to be one iphone and one ipad. I recall that the with the ipad he said it was the perfect size and didn't need alternatives or it would become less functional.

Then he died and the ipad mini was released, as well as the iphone 5c.

In 2012, the year following the iphone 5c and the year of the ipad mini apple lost its global market lead to android.

They diluted the product and confused the market of loyalists and general consumers by releasing multiple versions of their main product and if you ask me, thats when the cracks started to show.

Apple havent had a majority of the global market share for years now.

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 162 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Steve Jobs was a piece of shit human being who contributed nothing to technology.

That said, he was a hell of a skilled bullshitter/marketer. Most people fucking looooove to be bullshitted, and Americans more than most.

It's why we elect virtually no wonks/technocrats, even though thats who we should elect almost exclusively. We'd rather some snake oil motherfucker sell us on magical lies while telling us we're pretty.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I've never complimented, or defended Steve Jobs before, because he was a grade A piece of shit...but, Steve Jobs transformed technology precisely because he was a phenomenal salesman, with a great eye for technical talent.

Just because he wasn't an engineer, doesn't change the fact that he forged Apple into what it became, and that absolutely contributed to modern technology - for better, and worse.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just because he wasn’t an engineer, doesn’t change the fact that he forged Apple into what it became,

I think the big complaint about Jobs is not the lack of engineering skills, but that he got where he did through deception, taking advantage of people, and often treating folks like garbage. Many of us view him as unworthy of celebrating, because the ends don't justify the means.

(There's also the fact that what Apple became was not all good, but perhaps that's a separate discussion.)

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[–] parachaye@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

After listening to the recent Behind the Bastards episode on him, yeah absolutely. It's amazing his legacy isn't judged more harshly.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

He's one of those people who died at the right time to preserve their own legacies, before public reckonings for non illegal bad behavior became common.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I work in tech and specialize in Apple hardware. I get really sick of industry folks talking about Jobs as being inspiring and other nonsense. No, he was an asshole and we should not celebrate him.

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[–] thejml@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

It’s also partially because any decent engineer/technocrat both lacks sufficient charisma and cash flow, and more importantly looks at public service and says “there’s no reliable way I can keep my morals and make a difference there.” As an engineer myself, I can’t imagine dealing with the general public. Choosing the correct, logical path will never win over people who put opinions and faith/feelings over reasoning and science. We’ve seen it time and time again and I’m not going to bang my head against that wall.

Instead I help friends and family, contribute to open source and projects I believe in and be the change I want to see in the world. Trying to do that as an elected official would foster insanity and pushback from those who don’t care and only want their side to win, regardless of the overall outcome.

Also: yes SJ was a POS, but he was a POS with charisma, a plan, and smart enough to surround himself with people who could make his ideas happen… and then micromanage them.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Jobs was the fucking cracks. The reason why zoomers have no fucking idea where their files are on their computer are because of the shitty attitude instilled into iphones/ipods.

He started the entire fucking enshittification trend and everyone ate his asshole like peaches.

[–] EndHD@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree. I had to explain to a younger family member today that when I say "open notepad", I meant the application that's been on every Windows version since they were born, not to Google "notepad"

Gave me a crisis that people know so little of what would have been considered basic computer usage a while back.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it makes you feel better I gave my 16 year old daughter a laptop with a fresh Debian install and she's figuring out things on her own without asking for help. Customizing it and making it do what she wants.

I just thought she would watch YouTube videos on it and be content. Instead she's talking about the nuance of installing programs on it, and how different it is from Windows.

Not all hope is lost.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://xkcd.com/456/

There's an xkcd for everything

Careful, or she'll be running nixOS in a month or two

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[–] esc27@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

Apple managed to capture lightning in a bottle, twice. First by making a better Walkman, and then again by making that device a phone with internet access. They were able to leverage that success to revitalize their computer hardware business and act as a platform for selling accessories, and all of that made them very successful.

But the stock market doesn’t care about past success, it cares about growth, and without a major new, or buzz worthy product, investors might start to turn against Apple. Problem is, they have ridden the iPod horse about as far as it can go. They tried putting wheels on it, but that failed, and the jury is still out on whether tying one to your face will work out or not.

[–] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's almost like... endless growth is unsustainable.

Edit: Downvoted by a shareholder lol

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"What if we just doubled the price?" - some genius executive that never created a damn thing in their life

That only works for housing and healthcare.

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Take a look at Apple stock over the last 12 years the company is worth literally 10x what it was worth when Jobs died. What a dumb framing.

[–] sardaukar@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Boeing's stock kept rising in the last 10 years, because they were sacrificing what they should be doing for shareholder value. Stock price alone is not a good metric for companies.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The Apple Car was the hint the wheels fell off, because it was out of scope for Apple's focus. And the Vision Pro is the next biggest one, because Steve haaaaaaated wearable computing.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Not like it matters because they're a silicon valley giant so even the next zero change iphone will sell morbillion units.

[–] RavuAlHemio@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Great choice of website:

Independent journalism is made possible by advertising.

That is the polar opposite of the truth.

[–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

NoteBookCheck is a legit website, what issue do you have with them? I always found their reviews and information and testing to be high quality

This is like shitting on GamersNexus because they removed some shitty product in every video to make money

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[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The cracks have been visible for a very long time, most fanboys don't want to see them though.

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[–] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

His notebook finally empty?

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

His notebook empty. Cook, when the infinite loop fell!

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article is garbage. The only thing that Steve Jobs did was have ideas and enough narcissism to force them on other people. Engineers and designers far smarter than he did the actual work.

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago

To be fair, he also had an eye for good product design. Not the skills to implement it but the ability to see whether a design is good.

Of course he expressed this skill by yelling at his engineers and designers. A lot. Because he was an asshole.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 year ago

Yeah but in a person meetings are at an all time high and anonymous sticks of deoderant being left on peoples' desks is at an all time low.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TL;DR: Wahhh apple isn't jamming enough AI crap in their products.

Jobs was once asked about what helped to set Apple apart from other companies. In response, he spoke of his fondness of a quote from ice hockey legend Wayne Gretzky who once said what set him apart as an ice hockey player is that “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Yet this is exactly where Apple finds itself right now, especially in relation to generative AI. While it is true Apple has long integrated AI technologies into the iPhone and its other devices in the form of features like computational photography and Siri, it has also trailed in these areas as well.

Google, conversely, AI from the start, making it a centerpiece of its Pixel smartphone strategy from the moment the original Pixel device shipped over 8 years ago with Google Assistant its heart coupled with computational photography chops. It has been focused on bringing useful and advanced (non-generative) AI-based features to users on a much broader scale than Apple, such as Call Screening, Google Lens, Top Shot, Smart Compose, among many others.

Pffft. Fuuuuuuuuck that.

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