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I've been off and on with the Fediverse for sometime now. It's a relatively friendly place full of fellow nerds, but with a few caveats....

My feeds seem very focused on hard information be it Gaza, tech companies doing bad things, or people pitchforking about the lastest big bad in digital privacy. This is all well and good, but it does get a bit tired after a while. Seeing the samey stuff post after post by academic types makes me more informed but also mentally draining.

Where's the fun? On Facebook and Instagram I see light fluffy popcorn type posts of people reminiscing over Nintendo games or reels of cockatiels being cockatiels. It's fun to scroll and interact. Here it feels like I'm in a classroom, and people, while friendly, do get quite hostile if you don't like Linux or Star Trek.

As a leftist I like it here because it's my bubble of people, but I'd like to see the fedi let its hair down a bit. It's okay to talk about stuff other than infosec, privacy guides, distros, and Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 152 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Reddit began in a similar way - being very tech focused until it started to become much more mainstream.

Block instances which have nothing you want (foreign languages, for me)

Block communities spamming gaza / war / techbro

I like to browse new across all instances, and block rather than only view subscriptions

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Block communities spamming gaza / war / techbro

I would agree with you if those communities were/are created to post content about gaza / war / techbro. But in most cases, those communities are generic, about news and technology, so when you block them, you also block other content that is not about gaza / war / techbro.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

a lot of apps support key word blocking

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I have the same approach of browsing all and blocking what I don't want as I come across it. Which in my case, happens to be mostly anime and shitposting communities.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally, I feel like you can have fun on fedi, but it all depends on the accounts/communities you follow. My Sharkey feed AND my Lemmy feed are both full of memes, fandom nonsense, and shitposts. If you only follow serious communities and people that talk about serious news, you'll have a serious time.

That said, one thing that I thought was unpleasant about the fediverse, and then realised was a feature rather than a bug is... The fact that you can run out of fediverse content. After 2 hours on Lemmy, I have functionally read all of Lemmy (or, well, all the communities I care to read), and maybe 1 more hour to join conversations I'd like to join.

Compared to the seemingly infinite content stream of The Other Sites (tm), this initially struck me as bad and weird, but then I realised... I actually prefer it this way. Doomscrolling a fedi site/app is actually not possible, and that has done wonders for my mental health.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For the moment, a lot of the fun on some of the federated platforms is behind several steps of effort that many of the corporate platforms have streamlined people out of being accustomed to taking, which is part of why they've kept their larger audiences. If a single click/tap is too much, that's enough to keep some people away from here.

It's not a matter of laziness either, it's more of, how much effort do I want to put into something that I'm using for casual entertainment? For many people it's minimal, but many federated platforms currently don't really work like that. They've arguably thrown the baby out with the bathwater in an overcorrection away from commercial algorithmic feeds since existing platforms have conditioned people to not have to put effort into finding silly/fun content.

The types of people to post won't be as inclined to post if they find their posts aren't reaching people because people mostly have to actively seek them out to engage with them at all. The types of people to more passively engage won't be able to as easily as those posts they might engage with may never reach them because they mostly have to actively seek them out. The end result of a lack of feedback and content for both types of people, despite there being a possibility and existence of both for them, results in this recurring sense of dissatisfaction.

Note that this is written largely with Mastodon in mind, and to a lesser degree Lemmy. In Lemmy/Kbin/Mbin/PieFed/Sublinks's cases I think they're potentially better off in terms of structure and offering different ways to sort one's feeds, but it's a matter of more people joining to round out communities and discussion more.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Incredibly well thought out reply. Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah Lemmy, besides news and technology, is very quiet and I think it suffers from having communities fractured between instances, so niche interests get even less traffic than they would on Reddit. But my Mastodon feed is always busy and interesting. If it isn't you're not following the right people yet. I recommend some hashtag searches for things you're interested in.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lemmy really needs a concept of a "super-community", some way to group different communities together and have that grouping be subscribeable. Maybe creating a post within a super-community will give the user the ability to automatically cross-post to all the individual communities, although this could be abuseable.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Collections is exactly what I'd love to see added to lemmy. Especially if the collections has the ability to filter out posts cross posed to different communities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

/kbin crossposts are displayed as smaller, like on image (if you can see it :))
Edit: you can't. Click fediverse logo to see it on /kbin

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Big agree with this. One of the clients I messed with had a feature like this and it's really nice. But we need something server-side to allow federated communities to pull from each other to create a river from separate streams as it were.

I follow lots of the the same communities across instances and that means often I'm seeing repeated posts, sometimes from different authors just to get the aggregate of things. This would be a huge boon to the usability too.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People on here and on mastodon are really pessimistic overall I've found. I still need to go to Twitter despite all the bots and engagement farming going on these days if I want to learn about new product releases or the newest possibilities of the newest technology that was released just yesterday.

I feel like the only news that get shared here and that actually get engagement are the bad ones about the war in Ukraine or in Palestine, or about anti-minority laws but we never see the good news like the fact that France added abortion as a constitutional right.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

A big factor is Lemmy was setup by tankies for tankies. So the constant spam of negative news about _______ western nation is on brand.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I see this as a positive. Instead of being fed content to keep me engaged by an algorithm until I suddenly realize the day is almost over and I didn't really enjoy myself, I reach a point where I feel like I'm done for the day then I make plans, play a game, read, etc.

Now I read the news, fuck around on lemmy a bit, then actually get on with a "real" day.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I don't really relate to the complaint because why does all your fun have to come from a single website? Does your online content have to be a one-stop shop? I just hop around Lemmy, Tildes, read sports news, maybe watch some cool videos on Youtube, etc etc. And when I'm bored with internet, I have other stuff IRL to do. Yeah I'm just not treating Lemmy like an endless scroll feed like Reddit or Instagram. I just check out what's new (I might pop in a few times a day), participate if I want, and move on.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recommend some keyword filters. I use them to reduce certain topics from my feed, specifically about certain wars or politicians or celebrities. I did the same thing on reddit to filter out some of the "awareness" campaigns where everyone posted about the FCC chair to every single sub.

I also just browse local communities instead of the entire fediverse. This defeats the purpose of the fediverse, but it drastically reduces the number of duplicate and NSFW communities. I then mute the communities I don't want to see. I'll also mute the hyper specific communities that usually have complete overlap with the more general community, i.e. dogs and dogpictures.

It takes some work to get your feed to your liking, but it's worth it in the end. There's still far less content available than on reddit, but the amount of quality content feels similar.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're our hero!

How do you stay in a community, but filter content you don't want through keywords?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Honestly I don't even bother subscribing to comminuted. Communities for me are opt-out via muting rather than opt-in via subscriptions. I still see posts from the news community even though I have several Gaza keywords filtered out.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The issue is that the majority of people on the Fediverse are "techies" with specific interests, which skews the spectrum of content quite a bit.

The Fediverse is in an awkward spot. It needs more people like you to keep technology communities from becoming Linux circlejerks, but at the same time those circlejerks are driving people like you out.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re a consumer. If you see something interesting post it to Fediverse so you can also be a contributor.

It sort of sounds like you want people to entertain you for free.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

If you look at my profile you'll see that's not the case. I've been contributing quite a bit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The Fedi is what you make of it. Since there's no algorithm telling you who to follow or pushing posts to your feed, it's up to you to curate who you follow.

My feed is a mixture of shit posts, memes, cats and dogs, flowers, a little politics and a little tech. Chaos is why I'm here and who I follow reflects that. If your feed is full of info you don't care about, then you're following the wrong people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Give it time. The porn on lemmy is growing exponentially, so the more varied content will start trickling in. My guess is roughly 3 more months before the memes really start to pick up

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Fedi is the worst social media, except for all the others.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

The only thing I’m missing from the fediverse is a platform where animations and animators can connect and share their work with the possibility of having it discovered. Pixelfed still isnt in the app stores, peertube is not user friendly and has no official apps, mastodon doesnt have amy kind of upvoting or algorithm or ability to browse lemmy communities, lemmy doesnt have native video support or user follows.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, where's the fun? There's no posts about owls/bats/invertebrates/cats/dogs, no cooking or food posts, no pictures of people knitting socks, nobody asking general questions, no articles and pictures about space, no discussion around movies/tv/books, nobody ever posts about gaming of any kind, there's no memes to be found anywhere, no poems or short stories, no digital/traditional/AI art.

For some reason browsing news/politics/technology always seems to revolve around depressing and infuriating topics which is different from every other platform.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your snark is the perfect embodiment of why people leave the fedi.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not the one complaining about being bored and requesting that everyone else amuse me. All those things I listed are things that are regularly posted so what's the issue?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The issue is that you're being shitty.

Instead of linking to any of the many communities with the content you brought up, you sarcastically threw shade at the guy for either not already knowing about it or finding it not enough while you do.

It's elitism over one of the most fucking pitiful things you could ever be elitist about: familiarity with an online space.

He was bringing up a personal criticism of this space, not demanding it change to fit his needs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This wasn't an innocent request for interesting topics to follow, it was taking the stance that only serious topics get discussed here and it's boring:

I’d like to see the fedi let its hair down a bit. It’s okay to talk about stuff other than infosec, privacy guides, distros, and Gaza.

It wasn't a demand, but certainly requesting that we "let our hair down a bit" and that they "often get bored of the Fediverse."

This post could have been phrased as "What are some good non-political or news related communities?" And I'll gladly accept the label of being elitist if it's because I have minimal expectations that people explore for solutions before complaining and implying it's everyone else that needs to change. You can't browse all without easily bumping into the things I listed, and if you aren't aware there's different filtering options there's always a sidebar link instructing you how the platform works.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh Christ you're insufferable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

A few suggestions

And this list (post the link in the search to get it on your instance)

https://lemmy.world/post/2216085

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's why I only view subscribed communities, completely free of news/politics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know man. If you enjoy Facebook and Instagram more then just get there more.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have been, and I guess it saddens me that I'm not enjoying myself as much here as I hoped.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blind brand loyalty to something you don't enjoy is a waste of your precious time on earth

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

This has nothing to do with branding or simple preferences. It's about ethics. Some people are here not because they think it is the best alternative, but because it has the potential to be good.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I had to leave a Mastodon instance because it was about activism, gaza and politics the whole fucking day. So I perfectly understand what you feel. But I think there are ways and/or servers where everybody can feel comfortable. The mastodon server where I'm on right now, people talks about US stuff the whole day, and I'm very annoyed because of that because I don't give a damn shit about US. But the admin is cool, people support Ukraine, and I follow funny stuff too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I have multiple accounts for seperate feeds. One seriouse one just communities of fun shit. Helps filter out the mindless doomerism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Not a perfect solution by any means, but you can block communities you have no interest in.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

jUsT mAkE coNtEnT

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

After i scroll my subscribed communities, if i have extra time i scroll all. I often find something new to follow - art, cats, or that new music lyrics/AI art one that i still can't figure out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Youtube Shorts give me Brainrot but I can't stop watching them. I don't know what they did to the algorithm, but it perfectly captures my attention.

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