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Who notices that someone is better at mounting tvs? How does one notice this? What is this made up scenario?
This isn't exactly 100% relevant to your story, but it is related and an anecdote I enjoy sharing.
I recently moved to a small town and hired an electrician to make some changes to my house. After showing him around the house, we went to look at the fuse box to determine what changes could be made.
As we were looking, he said "I know those fuses are original." When I asked how, he pointed at the labels and said "because that's my father's handwriting."
Kinda cool to have a legacy like that. The electrician did do good work, so far as I can tell, so it was likely earned as well.
"because they're fuses instead of breakers"
Ah yes, that's my fault; my house isn't new, but it's not old enough to use fuses, original or otherwise.
Another similar example would be guys who look at a picture of a server rack and go "Hnnnng, look at that cable management ohmygod how!?"
That didn't involve you learning how someone can hang tvs better than you on Facebook. Having hung a TV or two in my day, I don't know how one can learn to respect another's ability there based on social media
Quick edit: I'm also super annoyed at op to tie it to 'positive masculinity' while describing the quintessential male trait - they like teaching or displaying their abilities. Go grill or work on cars with a group of men and see what happens. It's a fucking trope. This nonsense wholesome schtick is gross.
Can't forget the fun flip side too, where some guys who know a lot are unwilling to share, because they (being fuckin cowards) feel it's necessary to protect their job security by being the only one who knows how to do certain things.
Or! The guys who know how to do things - have decided they hate doing some of those things (usually for good reason in my experience) - and therefore pretend they don't know how to do them. I kinda sympathize with this one sometimes.
But yeah, "likes to teach" as the toxic trait? Anyone who thinks that is the toxic version of knowledge sharing is kinda just revealing how little time they've actually spent around men.
Bingo. Toxic masculinity in the trades is thinking you know everything and acting like it. And it makes working with those people, especially foremen like that, terrible. No one knows everything, and the best tradesmen I've ever met are the ones that know they don't and will never know everything, but they try to learn something new every day.
I have an electrical business, and hired a buddy that was a union operator for years to help out. I learn something new from that dude every day just from his years of adjacent experience, it's pretty rad.
Lol, I thought it was just me. 😄
I've been contemplating sending a business rival a bottle of whiskey for proper capatilization on the word "FastLane" as well as strict adherence to correct PLU usage in the face of absurd custom store-level PLUs, 100% get it.
What made the old electrician's work especially clean or notable? Just curious what caught your eye as I'm someone not in that industry
Man that's amazing, if you ever do find pics of his cartoons or work and want to comment them, I'd love to see them. It's incredible how we touch past lives like that.
Not the person you're responding to, but an electrician as well. The difference between someone who just showed up to get it running and get paid versus the ones who take time to sinch as close to perfect as possible are night and day. A good installation would have the basics like clean pipe runs, level cans and boxes, minimal mistakes (extended conduits, plugged holes in boxes where someone mismeasured, no missing parts, etc). The perfection guys go beyond by having everything laser level with themselves (pipes, boxes, etc), thoughtful layout to make working on it easier, forethought with layout as far as system expansion and futures, sometimes even sizing pipes and boxes a little bigger to accommodate future additions, and often just the little simple details like aligning screw heads where you can tell that the original installer really took their time and had passion for doing things right. Especially compared to installs where it's a pain to try and do anything and you're basically putting lipstick on a pig, it's always a wonderful treat to work on something where someone really gave a shit.
Now when you say goon…
Professional handymen, electronics installers, contractors, people who do this kind of thing for a living.
Better work with the cabling, perhaps. In this picture you can see that there's a new work box in the drywall so he's running hidden cables. There could be drywall patching or he's really good at making the holes so there doesn't need to be patching.
He could do more types of mounts than this guy is used to.
He could be faster.
Is that you're completely unimaginative so you can't come up with ways someone might be better or do you have so little respect for trades that you think there can't be skill involved?
Why the hostility? I would've asked this question if they hadn't, and I don't consider myself unimaginative or disrespectful. Just uninformed...
Pros notice tiny details that most people don't even think of.
Maybe they did the job 5 minutes faster or the mount job just looks cleaner than yours.
One example: Check the screws on your electric outlet/light switch faceplates. If the screws are aligned, your electrician gave a shit about their work
Faceplate screws in places I've worked: | | | | |
Faceplate screws in my own house: | / \ X = √
I see it all the time.
Like someone shares a photo their desk and their setup is so slick. Or someone shows off their kitchen. Those are things I like a lot and want to improve. So rather than scroll past, or leave a hater response, I ask questions to pick up what they're dropping. You can try that.
That doesn't address the quality of hanging a TV. The things you mentioned are superficial. Being good at hanging a TV is structural. The only way one would know if another was good or bad at it is if the TV eventually fell off the wall or was loose, which one could not see from a FB post.
It probably has to do with routing cables through the wall more than anything
Why would you hate on that guy.
Internet: omg, so wholesome!
Just because you don't do something doesn't mean nobody does. Maybe don't assume something is made up just because you're unfamiliar with it.
Advertisement for whatever slrpnk dot net is trying to sell?
I definitely have friends who I know are a lot better at this kind of stuff than I am (mostly because they get less anxious over what happens if they screw up but...). I have never seen a difference once the tv is mounted because... you can't see the fricking mount once the TV is mounted.
I dunno. I also kind of have problems with the underlying premise too. Yes, toxic masculinity is a massive problem and people very much do not realize how few "male role models" there are for kids who aren't bald human traffickers and the people who sniff their chairs. But "Hey dude, I see you are a super masculine strong man with a bubble level" is not the answer.
The answer is to teach kids they don't NEED role models that fit the same gender roles they do (or, more often, their parents think they should). An athlete is an athlete and a smart person is a smart person. Same with being "handy". This is a lesson girls/"girls" were forced to learn long ago and is one boys/"boys" would benefit from. Because then you don't need to say "Well, I like what this person is saying but they have the wrong genitalia and aren't muscular enough".
What you see isn't the issue with proper mounting, its what you don't.
Leveling, positioning for cable pathways/junction box positioning/planning, heights for good viewing, proper blocking for support, so on. And someone who foes this for a living is going to notice.
And slrpnk.net, the Lemmy instance, is about working towards a sustainable future (solarpunk concept), so that's the only thing that instance is selling is a climate friendly future. Well worth checking out some of the great communities on there.
That's another lemmy instance.
Knew that part but figured it was an article based on the link. Apparently just a picture of a facebook post.
So... no idea what that facebook post was trying to sell but I guess this is why all that AI nonsense is spammed endlessly on that site.
They're not trying to sell anything.
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Yeah this is a weird one for sure. I hate to be a "nothing ever happens" person but this one didn't happen like the caption says it did.
"okay, the camera is rolling, now whip out your dong and fuck that TV like it's your mother's sister!"
15 seconds later
"damn, how do you even... in the hdmi... it comes back out of the coax?! could you teach me how to do that?"
and from that day forward, it was a duo of TV mounters