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[–] [email protected] 211 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

So, wait, Mocrosoft is finally giving us a way to fully-disable automatic Windows Updates?

/s

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

That's how I read it!

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Full list from this comment on another thread: https://lemmy.ca/comment/8470544

ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

MergeSdb (Microsoft)

Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)

[–] [email protected] 91 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They won't give you updates if you have radeon software or intel config tool?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The article says it's only a specific Win7 version of VLC that's blocked, so maybe that's the case with these also.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Ok, so a newer version should be fine I guess. If that’s the case, the title should be: “If you’re still running these prehistoric software, Windows won’t be able to update“

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Too late. People in comment section already decided to install Linux

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We're not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps.

That's mildly distopian.

This prevents your car from shutting itself off when trying visit certain areas on the map. We're not sure if car manufacturers have fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep going to your favorite places.

And only a little tiny bit adversarial.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I was already dubious about upgrading from 10 to 11 and this is final straw. I will have to look at Linux options and see if my Windows-only programs will run effectively under WINE.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (23 children)

I'm fucking out. I do a lot of basic IT work, including many fresh installs and new domain users, and I am so godamn sick of having to go through 5 dialogues every single time I open edge. For the local account. Then the domain admin account. Then the domain user account. Fuck this company.

As soon as I can afford to get an AMD GPU or do a swap with someone for my 1070, I'm gone. I used to love computers, but dealing with windows even on a home PC with no "problems", it just feels like more work.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You can do it with an Nvidia GPU too, you don't have to switch cards. I'm not sure where this idea comes from, that Nvidia doesn't work on Linux, 50-60% of users are on Nvidia according to Steam.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If they're games, protondb (.com) will tell you how well you can expect them to run. Other stuff, it's often a case of search the web or try and see. Wine takes some getting used to, you'll probably have to get your hands dirty and do a little learning.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm sure you're aware of it already, but WineHQ provides a good overview over which software runs well under WINE. :)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

In the article all apps mentioned are very old versions. I just don't understand, how exactly this was a final straw for you?

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn't it be nice if you could just keep using Windows 10 forever, and get security updates for free?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)

For reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn't received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017...

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Yeah and? Debian is free, you can just upgrade to the newer version without paying a thing.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And upgrades tend to be pretty stable. You can still use whatever UX you were used to before, since packages tend to stick around quite a bit.

The issue with Win 11 is that it drastically changes hardware requirements and UX. That's not an issue for Debian.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015, Debian 8 was released on 26 April 2015, 3 months earlier. And you are comparing it with Debian 6, released 4 years earlier? Debian 8 extended long term support reaches end-of-life 30 June 2025.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's comparing apples to oranges, that said, the current version of Debian is much closer to the UX of Debian 6 than windows 11 is to windows 10

If the point of windows is you're paying for an operating system and should then have better support than a free alternative, they should be able to push security updates, especially if they're already committed to ensuring old windows app can still run inside new windows

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (10 children)

windows 10 was meant to be the last version of windows, its a bit disingenuous to compare the two that way

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago

Install Linux and be done with this nonsense

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Glad they have time to call out everyone else’s problems, yet Microsoft still can’t fix their broken jan win 10 update.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Is that the one where MS updated the recovery partition by including a file that's too big for that default partition? I had to manually resize my recovery partition to fix that issue

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Wow, imagine using a corporate owned operating system.

Laughs in Ubuntu

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

laughs in another corporate OS?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Imagine not being able to upgrade your Linux because you have modified YOUR system to suit YOUR needs. Fuck them...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, if you've done something affecting upgrade paths - possible.

Also I broke a FreeBSD ufs partition once while upgrading OpenBSD. I thought I'm very smart having that added into disklabel, and it would successfully mount read-only. Well, there were some actions to upgrade OpenBSD's own ufs partitions, so - I don't really remember whether I could restore any data, TBF. I think I could still mount that read-only from OpenBSD, but not from FreeBSD.

But that's about things being really broken.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

But if those modifications were known to cause the system to brick after you update, wouldn't it be really nice if it stopped you from doing it?
And not just "yeah we know having done x will cause a bootloop after update, if you don't know to uninstall/fix it it first, too bad."

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel bad for Windows users, they just can't catch a break can they?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It was already bad enough that we're stuck trying to use a trash OS to run our games and soul-sucking corporate crap, but now we have to ditch our customization tools to get updates that we need?

Thank goodness I mostly just use Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What apps and links please? Just so I know what not to download.

::: (Yes I know its in the article...) :::

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)
ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

MergeSdb (Microsoft)

Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It looks like they break Microsoft's update mechanism somehow, and Microsoft won't work around it. If it's because they'd have to make special cases just for one app I get it, but it doesn't seem like that's what's happening.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (6 children)

they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow

Microsoft’s update mechanism breaks Microsoft’s update mechanism.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Havent updated my v10 for 3+ years and dont plan to

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Why are people still using Windows? Seems to me that the pain to use it is still not big enough. I welcome every move that increases the pain and drives people to better options.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

My job includes programming devices from manufacturers that only write their software for Windows. There are entire industries that are blind to anything but Windows due to lock-in from one or more manufacturers of devices needed for daily operations.

Some consumer products are similarly locked-in due to supporting software. There may be alternatives for common tools, but device-specific things simply won't work on Linux, 90% of the time. Sure, we can request the manufacturer support Linux in some way, but good luck getting any response let alone a working port.

Edit: Yes, it may be becoming more painful to use Windows, but until it's less painful to take the Linux path for viable alternatives, nothing will change.

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