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[–] [email protected] 151 points 11 months ago (10 children)

... And it's still illegal to carry on federal land (including boarders). This is a win but it's a fucking minor one.

Amazingly enough after Canada legalized weed our country didn't instantly fall into anarchy.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 11 months ago (2 children)

US stayes that legalized weed had all of the predicted positive outcomes like reduced crime related to weed, increased taxes because it is taxed, etc.

You know, the obvious outcomes for anyone who doesn't buy into reefer madness.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The oligarchs need more time to monopolize the market. Can't have folks growing their own plants when there's money to be made now

/s because internet

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

When we know in reality they needed time push laws through so they can make sure to keep the prisons fill with slave labor.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Legalizing weed would drastically reduce the prison population of America.

And we all know how bad that would be.

/s

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

They'll figure out another way to get their slaves :/

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Amazingly enough after Canada legalized weed our country didn't instantly fall into anarchy.

Not yet my friend, not yet /s

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Still waiting on Congress to decriminalize and expunge records.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Hey a half a loaf. Its Zenos paradox of legalization. With progress like this, in another 40 years we'll be another halfway there to legalization.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It will at least open up research for cannabis drug development into FDA approved products.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It also basically will legalize Medical cannabis federally. This could lead to many other benefits. Get a medical card, it's legit with the state and the feds, then there shouldn't be any grounds for drug tests to affect your employment.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Its 10 years too late for anyone to care I think. Democrats should have just straight up legalized under Obama, and even if they legalized now, they aren't going to be making major points off this politically. Its just jerk-off material for the commentary crowd. If it isn't going to make a difference to peoples lived experience, it isn't worth pursuing.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

You guys seem to think that the democrats had a fillabuster proof majority the entirety of obama's terms.

They had two years. In those two years, they spent their capital on getting the ACA passed.

Then the 2010 midterms happened, and the dems lost any chance of anything meaningful happening.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Two years of a filibuster proof majority for a president elected on hope and change, and the best they can do is a conservative healthcare plan, packed with giveaways for the big insurers.

That's when I lost all faith in the democratic party.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because Joseph Lieberman wouldn't allow it to pass without removing the public option and he was the lone vote they needed to overcome the filibuster

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yep there's always a rotating villain, how convenient.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He wasn't "a rotating villain"

He was always a villain.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The term "rotating villian" refers to those who are currently fulfilling the spoiler role in the party in order to stop any progressive legislation.

More recent rotating villains include Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The point is it’s always one persons fault and that certainly everyone else was a good guy. The blame is planted on a single individual and not the party that failed as a whole

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

To be clear, they didn't have 2 years. They had ~70 days where they had the seats to pass legislation. That's when they passed the ACA.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

ACA, civil rights legislation, climate policy, and immigration reform. It was a pretty progressive two years.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (10 children)

And you seem to think two years is basically no time at all. Think about how much awful shit Republicans got up to under Trump. Approximately half of that got done in a two year period and that was even a historically deadlocked Congress. Democrats lost in 2010 precisely because two years is a long time and the best thing they got out of it was a shitty healthcare plan that, more than anything, ensured our current unsustainable system stays in place for at least another generation.

Democrats are obviously much better than Republicans in basically every sense of the word, but Republicans get their legislation passed when they have the chance and Democrats trip all over themselves trying to appease the idiots who will never join their coalition. They could learn a lot from Republicans about pushing their agenda but it seems pretty clear by now they aren't going to.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That all depends on when Democrats get congressional majority. Congress is responsible for legislative decriminalization.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You make the assumption that Democrats (the politicians, not the voters) actually see this as a legislative priority.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Kamala has been treating it as priority, and speaking in favor of it every chance she gets. The bill was co-sponsored by 114 Democrats.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617/cosponsors

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

For people like me who use it medicinally, this is a huge win.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So it moves to be rescheduled but is just being sent to DEA for them to now think about it?

I get it's news but I don't see what is actually changing

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

Its the next major step in the process of getting it rescheduled. Each step could potentially end that process, so each movement forward is great news.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

the government is so pathetically slow and people love to celebrate this bullshit facade of progress for some reason. this should've been done 20 fucking years ago, i'm not giving them props for that now. not a chance.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Best time to make a change was 20 years ago. Second best time is now. Progress is progress. Would you rather it continue to not happen?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The DEA already agreed to the FDA’s Schedule III recommendation. Now it’s open for 60 days of public comment.

If there’s no change in mind, it gets passed to up the to both HHS and DOJ as approvals, then sent to Biden to sign off. (I think)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There's two things this changes.

  1. Easier to research.

  2. We get a lot less tax money from it.

For 1, it's not that much of a gain, we don't need more studies to show it's safe. That's been accomplished, and it wasn't that hard to do a study the last couple years.

For 2, tax money was the biggest reason states could be convinced to legalize.

There's a little bit of a 3 involved. I forget the specifics from an earlier article, but I read something about while a lower schedule may let them transition from cash only to banking, the DEA can still seize all their funds because it's on the schedule. It's just now they can do it from a computer.

When they don't use banks, at least the DEA had to actually show up and ~~steal~~ seize their cash.

So say a Republican takes office and is pissed at Cali, he can tell the DEA to freeze and seize the bank accounts of every business and person connected to the cannabis industry.

And it'd all be 100% legal, take very little effort, and can easily be converted into some kind of "border security" bullshit like building a giant pointless wall.

I dunno, lately I keep getting frustrated at people never realizing what shit can naturally lead to. Maybe my standards for planning ahead need lowered?

I just don't understand why this is acceptable when Biden told us decriminalization was the goal.

A co.plete removal from the schedule would have been that, and would have accomplished a lot and taken the same effort as this. I don't see why we don't try to actually fix shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Biden is right of Reagan.

Get a clue.

Dems are not in favor of legalization. Neither are liberals.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Biden is right of Reagan.

On which policies?

Dems are not in favor of legalization.

Then why has literally every single legalization come from democrats?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (6 children)

This is not a win, don't mistake it. They reclassified it and now it's going to be even hard to legalize because they'll use the excuse "we reclassified it already!". Full legalization is what we need, this doesn't actually change shit. Marijuana being illegal is one of the most racist laws we have.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Only on lemmy would Biden drastically reducing a very stupid and racist drug law that has persisted for decades be a bad thing.

Changing the classification away from "its basically heroin" changes a lot actually. Research funding, federal therapeutic use, authorized law enforcement actions, banking laws, these are all able to be shifted and changed in the context of weed now.

Its not the end of federal legalization attempts, it's the start. It drastically normalizes something at a federal level that has already been legalized at a state level. That's how you fully legalize it.

It's not some imagined set back because of weak "we did enough already" arguments that no one actually believes, especially with federal legalization at 70% popularity.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Only on lemmy would Biden drastically reduceding a very stupid and racist drug classification that has persisted for decades be a bad thing.

Lemmy is so full of extremists it's insane. Nothing but unwavering ideological commitment is accepted by any side. There is no positive news, only unethical compromise.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Still illegal without prescription

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