Supposedly New Zealand straight-up denies people for ever recieving psychiatric help. It's insane. I'm wondering about the shit show that's going to happen when LGBT, POC and disabled Americans are actually forced to start fleeing the US, only to find that countries tend to have laws against US citizens seeking refuge, against people with disabilities immigrating, etc.
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Most Americans don't realize that the U.S. is by far the easiest developed country to immigrate to, by a country mile. It's still an incredibly difficult feat, but our standards are really, really low. For most developed countries, you'll need to have a specialized, useful education, a significant amount of capital on-hand, a clean bill of health, and you'll need to learn a new language.
My "plan" for a Trump election is to try and get a student visa to complete my PhD in neuroscience, and then I'll overstay and escape to the European wilderness as an illegal immigrant. I wouldn't hold my breath for a promise of asylum.
Most European countries offer PhDs in English and have a rule where if you actually graduate in that country and get a job in the same field, you can stay.
Yeah. I'm absolutely fucked. See you on the other side I guess.
Awwwww there goes that plan.
Belgium, Germany, Spain, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, France to name a few. Also Mexico for some reason
Did you actually look or are you just upset?
me after I accidentally spread misinformation on the internet
It happens! You're learning!
Australia & New Zealand deny immigrants with an autism diagnosis!
Source? Fucking wild
Any significant disability....
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/world/asia/04iht-doctor.1.17504311.html
Not defending the policy (it's indefensible) but as per that article there was a single case 20 years ago of a rejection because of Autism which was overturned. So I don't think it's fair to say Australia doesn't allow people with Autism diagnoses to immigrate.
Outliers are not the rule
There are rules (enforced) and there are rules (unenforced). This is still a bad rule, and needs to be fixed. But we can still acknowledge that they're doing a good thing by ignoring it.
Wait, who what now? I'm not aware of any extra immigration requirements based on your health situation. I certainly didn't get asked when I was a migrant.
To where? If you migrate to Canada you have to pass medical exam and all
Wat
It makes sense if you remember that the universal healthcare system is insurance.
So if you are trying to migrate without a job but with an expensive disabillity and little money, then you are just a liabillity to the healthcare system.
And since the country is under no obligation to pay for the care, there is no reason for them to do so.
It is just basic resource management, you may not like it, but it is reality, regardless of what political system the country uses.
if you are trying to migrate without a job but with an expensive disabillity and little money, then you are just a liabillity to the healthcare system.
And since the country is under no obligation to pay for the care, there is no reason for them to do so
It is just basic resource management, you may not like it, but it is reality
No. Just no. People aren't numbers on a spreadsheet. That's some capitalism mind rot.
In this case we are numbers on a spreadsheet, we may not like it, but all nations have limited resorces, and need to practice resource management.
This goes for both capitalism and communism.
Anything else would be to deny reality.
However different governments use different metrics to approve or deny new citizens, but all boil down to if it is worth it to the country.
Except people don't move to a country expecting to not ever work... God forbid we pay for someone WhO DoEsNt DeSeRvE iT until they can get up to speed and on their feet...
We're such assholes, especially us in the US....
You are absolutely correct, most people want to work when they can, but look at it from the government's perspective, if they see a severely disabled person in his 50s with zero education, zero knowledge of the language wanting to migrate to the country, what they see is just an expense with few prospects of being able to contribute enough to offset the cost of treating/managing his disabillities.
He may be an absolute genious, but that is not known at the time, the government also must consider that any resources spent on this person can't be spent on someone else.
So in this case the financial argument is clearly against accepting the person, based on the information the government has, the person should be rejected.
In a purely financial world, that would be it, but luckily we live in a world with more incentives than purely greed.
Taking in the person will generate goodwill in some parts of the world, that might be reason enough to do it, or perhaps the person has valuable information that could also be reason to let them in, perhaps this person is part of a political party in his original country that you want to remain good friends with, then this is an excellent opportunity to show support.
All of this is extermely cold and calculating, I absolutely conceede that, but a government can selldom afford to let feelings dictate policy.
Even governments showing compassion do it for their own gain, it's good PR!
This is reality, and it is better to face it and deal with it than to fight with an immaginary entity.
I guess it is about proving that you can provide for yourself otherwise you won't be allowed to permanently stay. But this doesn't really have anything to do with the healthcare system. Just a guess.
Lots of places have this, I wouldn't be able to be a Canadian citizen because of it.
Okay, so that's two for Canada, one for "you have to prove you have a job or resources to support yourself, but no specific health care requirement".
Gonna guess this is a Canadian thing, then? Or at least a thing in some places but definitely not "all the countries with good health care".
I've only looked at Canada and Japan personally, but I can add that Japan also does this. The process of immigrating is to effectively prove you'll be a net positive on their economy if you live there, limiting disability is one way they can do that.
Well, hey, all I can say is that's not how it works either in my home country or in the other place where I lived as a long term resident, and I am glad that's the case. Over here even undocumented migrants have a right to health care, which was not uncontroversial but is definitely the right call.
Places with social net for people with disabilities don’t just want people coming in and being a burden on the system.
In theory, as a citizen you’ve paid your due in taxes until you became a burden.
I am VERY glad that's not how we frame it here.
I mean, hey, yeah, being a place where people like to retire the issue does come up in conversation, but health care is a constitutional right, it is provided universally and even undocumented migrants are allowed to access most of the system. Makes sense to me. You get taxed a proportional amount of what you make, everybody gets the support they need. I have several family members that would likely not be alive right now without that principle and that's how I wanted to be treated when I lived abroad, so I have no problem extending the same privilege to others.
Yay for socialdemocracy, I guess.
I think there is some thought going on about what it means as a society to discriminate against people with disabilities during immigration.
It seems like the US would have a similar problem with people moving between states that had medicaid expansion and ones that do not. I don’t know if there are any studies on the issue.
Discriminating during immigration based on a congenital disability feels like discriminating based on race to me.
As a skilled worker with a kidney transplant, I am painfully aware of this.
Skill issue, should've been born in one of those countries
Damnit im stuck in america
Fat people in most countries: "I need to make sure I don't get so bad that I can't fit through this one-meter-wide door in a public building."
Fat people in America: "I'M SUING THE CITY UNTIL THEY MAKE A LAW THAT REQUIRES ALL DOORS TO BE TWO-METERS WIDE!!"
Edit: The meme insinuates that good healthcare would have prevented the disability, so the first disability that came to mind was obesity. My comment doesn't apply to everyone, obviously.
Oh, sorry, my bad. I wasn't aware disabilities were easily curable with exercise.
Easily? Depends. But, yes, exercise does prevent and help heal quite a few disabilities.
Most disabilities aren't like that though. In fact I actually think mental disorders are the most common these days. Though Arthritis (caused by age and genetics) is also very common.
Could I get an example of a disability healed by exercise? (Being fat isn’t a disability by itself)
I believe you mean 72" wide. Like a fat American would know what the fuck a meter is. lol
USA better again, suck It rest of the world