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Police in New York shoot and kill 13-year-old holding a pellet gun, authorities say (www.pbs.org)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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An officer in upstate New York shot and killed a teen fleeing while pointing a replica gun, police said Saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Hey I'll give them some credit with that headline.

Not "13-year-old killed in police shooting" or "a 13-year old died during a police interaction" etc. Nope, they fully went with "Police in New York shoot and kill 13-year-old." Thank you, PBS.

Also -

The shooting happened Friday night after officers in Utica stopped two youths at around 10:18 p.m.

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

I'll be interested to see when that footage is released and what it contains.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The department said it is also aware of a video circulating on social media of the incident but warned that it does not portray the incident in its entirety.

I have a feeling the officially released footage might also not portray the incident in its entirety..

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

If it shows a kid running and pointing what appeared to be a handgun, then that'll be a pretty big part of the incident...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Watch it actually be 3 kids with Arizona Iced Teas and Skittles.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"I'd rather kill 100 innocent kids than retreat from one dangerous criminal." /s

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago

You misspelled "then".

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah, like what are the stats on 13 year olds actually shooting cops vs. just having toy guns? Like at some point you gotta realize it's probably not actually a threat and proceed more cautiously.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Fuck if it doesn't seem true.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"¿Por qué no los dos?" - Uvalde cops.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Shame he didn't have a school to hide in

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah it stung me too lol

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago

Fleeing, and pointing a pellet gun? Not sure I buy the story, based on that alone.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

If the footage confirms this, it makes sense that the officer shot him. Don't point guns or gun replicas at people.

But they were fleeing and pointed a gun at him? Either the reporting is shitty or it did not happen like the police say it happened.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You can run and point a gun backwards/shoot in their general direction.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

And unless you're some sort of trick shot marksman, you won't be any danger to the cops.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

I mean shooting randomly is always dangerous to someone. People get hit by stray bullets literally every day in america.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Dumb luck happens, plus could hit an innocent bystander. It's honestly a shit situation all around.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Patsy Parisi over here.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Outcome is unfortunate but pointing a gun, replica or not, at an officer has always been a very bad idea. Nothing is different now vs 30 years ago.

Do we as a society really need reminding don't point weapons at police? Don't do it folks.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your flaw is that you're taking the police at their word. Why the fuck would a 13 year old point a pellet gun at the cops?

If I see footage that corroborates their story I'll believe it. Until then, I'm assuming the murderer is also a liar. ACAB

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I haven't heard a statement from the other side of the story, but it seems you have. So please, inform us all. Otherwise, your speculation based in distrust and hate is moot.

We only have one source of facts at the moment, with a promise for a more detailed followup so, yeah, it carries weight.

I don't know why a 13yo would do such a thing, or why they even had a replica gun. I'm not them. I feel sorry for them, but according to the facts I know right now, it was a bad choice. I am especially interested if the red tip were removed designating a toy. As the article references a replica, not a toy, I wonder if that had some influence in the outcome.

I am fully prepared to change my view if new evidence persuades me.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you'd read the article, the police admitted that they are lying about it:

The department said it is also aware of a video circulating on social media of the incident but warned that it does not portray the incident in its entirety.

When the police say 'believe us not the evidence', that means they're lying.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WOW do you like your own narrative.

That's not an admission to lying whatsoever.

That is literally what it says it is: that the video circulating online does not portray the entire incident.

Any armchair editor knows how to add start/stop points to a clip. It could be to emphasize a point, exclude content, or simply meet time constraints.

People these days... so easily radicalized. Take a breather and wait for more info.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When the police kill an unarmed child and then try to justify their actions, they're going to have to lie because there's no justifiable reason to kill an unarmed child. Hence claiming that the dead child both fled and menanced them and pre-discrediting the evidence against them.

There's an ocean of examples of police lying to cover up their killings. They lie so often that they got the courts to confirm they have no duty to tell the truth.

Your radical denial of where all the evidence points is not as moderate as you seem to believe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Unarmed?

Literally armed with a pellet gun. It's in the title!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm just curious, does it ever get tiring? I imagine doing anything 24/7 must be, but licking that many boots just sounds exhausting.

Do you realize there's a reason you're being consistently downvoted? Do you care to understand why your opinions are so frowned upon? Or do you simply conclude, in your tiny obedient mind, that the "radicals" dislike the police because we're all thugs?

This is a trend decades (if not centuries or millennia) in the making, of people in power abusing said power and lying about it. You defending them is a pathetic waste of your time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, the downvotes don't bother me as much as the gossip and unchecked hysteria in some Lemmy communities. This is a controversial topic and this is a discussion.

But some take differing viewpoints as a personal attack and double down.

I have my own biases, I recognize that, but I try to stick with facts like I have in this thread. But I've been on both sides of a police-focused argument before and also massively attacked for assuming police were out to get a company. I backed it up with facts too but that issue was hard to defend.

I may not agree with people here, and you may not agree with me, but votes don't make you right. You're free to present evidence the police in this article acted outside their authority anytime; all I hear are soapbox radicals with an axe to grind.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You love classifying differing opinions as those from "radicals". I hope to God you don't have any power over others in your life, because your mindset is dangerous.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, unarmed. As in not bearing a weapon. A toy is not a weapon and poses no threat at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

That's why toys have red tips. If there is no red tip, as in a replica, it looks and assumed to be real.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nobody will hear a statement from the other side of the story because the other side is a dead 13 year old.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

According to the article there were 2 youths.

There is another side.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

There also should be body-cam video that should portray a reasonable unbiased view of the situation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

The other side is dead. And there's a video in this thread that shows one cop already in control of the kid and another just shooting him, this isn't cool no matter what happened before that.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Do we as a society really need reminding don’t point weapons at police? Don’t do it folks.

Do we need a reminder that kids aren't mini-adults, and they do stupid things sometimes? In any case, I'll believe he pointed it at them when I see a video of it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Certain stupid activities have immediately fatal consequences, that’s life bro. The gun was a replica of a Glock 17, made specifically to look like the genuine article. If someone pointed one at me they’d be well on their way to room temp, and I likely wouldn’t even be charged, because yeah, I would have had every reason to assume I was in imminent danger.

Teach your kids to not be this stupid. A 13 year old in the city shouldn’t have unrestricted access to pellet gun, or any other weapon.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Weird fantasy to kill kids. You might need some help.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I have no interest in harming anyone, ever. But I certainly won’t allow myself to be harmed. So whatever, stomp me with downvotes. I’m as ACAB as the next lefty, but when you grow up in a violent place you recognize certain realities that other people might not.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I can see that. I guess where I have an issue is that the old white guy who shot up a Planned Parenthood a few years back was taken alive (and he's far from the only example) and it's like, why is it that they can negotiate and talk guys like that down but don't bother to even attempt to de-escalate with brown kids? Or brown adults, really.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Kid was Asian. Police violence on Asians is comparable to caucasians

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I think most people would agree and understand but can't we expect a bit of common sense from the police.

This death was unnecessary but legal under our laws.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah provoking law enforcement is just plain stupid.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The bystander video is shown here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1188314849017274

Video shows three cops chasing a suspect. The first cop tackles the kid and proceeds to punch him. The second cop run up with gun drawn and shots the kid in less than a second while the first cop is still busy wrestling.

IMHO, the 2nd cop's shooting was incredibly unsafe since he was shooting a suspect wrestling another cop from less than 1 foot away. As far as I can tell, the cop basically ran up to the kid, put his gun to his head, and pulled the trigger. You can not tell from THIS video if there was a gun in the kids hand, but I can't believe the first cop would not have tackled him if there was! There is no way this is a good shooting.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If the police were also armed with pellet guns, this never would have happened.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

The only way to stop a bad guy with pellets is a good guy with pellets.

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