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Some Republicans worry a Biden replacement could make the race 'dramatically different' for Trump (www.businessinsider.com)

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Is there a good replacement? To me it sounds like there is a push for Biden to step down without a good alternative.

The more and more this continues the more I'm thinking that it is the rich owners of media companies trying to destroy Biden chances, because of his stance of taxing the rich. It feels like that whole noise is being done by media in bad faith, also they are very silent about trump in Epstein files.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I too am thinking this, Biden has picked an amazingly effective team that is making big changes for the positive for the average person, and has made some key strategic victories despite the courts and Congress being so against him.

He's old, he needs his nap time more often than a spry 35 year old, his speech difficulties suck - but the actions his administration makes are not ignorable to the rich, and so I think the rich attempt to make them ignorable to the masses with their control of capital

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You don’t have to convince me, you have to convince Joe voter in Penn’s woods who voted W then Obama and then Trump and then Biden. Joe from Pennsylvania measures his vote by his gut and not so much the issues. He picks a president, not a team.

And right now all Joe’s hearing is how Biden is more senile than anyone ever thought.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

And right now all Joe’s hearing is how Biden is more senile than anyone ever thought.

Do you think that's an unfair assessment?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Someone on Imgur posted a slew of headlines from the Clinton candidacy in 2016. Many of them are eerily similar to the ones that have been dominating msm lately.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Turns out they were right. Wish people would have listened back then.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is there a good replacement? To me it sounds like there is a push for Biden to step down without a good alternative.

Whitmer. Buttigieg. Newsom. Harris. Ignore this and repeat the question like no one has answered it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Newsom is not a good alternative. He is as corpo as it gets, refuses to take meaningful action against PG&E (the company is literally a convicted killer), and calls tax on the wealthy "bullshit".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

He's neither Trump nor Biden.

This is the Democratic Party we're talking about. They're going to give us a corpo stooge no matter what.

The question wasn't about which candidate I like, just which ones could run instead of Biden and have a chance against Trump.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If Biden wanted to tax the rich why didn't he try it when Dems controlled both chambers of Congress? I'm sure it's more likely to happen under Biden than Trump but from where I sit it doesn't seem likely to happen at all.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Because that Democratic "control" was razor thin and included people like Manchin/Sinema. We need an actual majority to pass anything without their cooperation. Even if Biden wanted 50s era tax levels on the top tax brackets (90%+), he simply doesn't have the votes in Congress. Last time they had anything resembling a workable majority was during the Obama administration, when they passed the ACA over several months. Even then they had to water it down because of Joe Lieberman. One more vote would've resulted in a public option. Luckily tax policy can be done in reconciliation so a simple majority works in the Senate. Or we can elect a few more Senators willing to nuke the fillibuster, it's pretty close now.

Point is, it's not just on Biden (or any POTUS). Congress (and internal Democratic party politics) are fucked. Yeah he could be doing more to get party members in line with his agenda, but they're pretty insulated at this point. We need to capture more seats in the general while ideally primarying every moderate member of the Democratic party we can. We have to be able to cancel our the 2-3 fuckers waiting to block shit, on top of the entire other party of y'all qaeda who blocks any attempt at progress.

Disclaimer: POTUS is now king supposedly so most of what I said could be accomplished with some strategic deportations of congressmembers and judges under official act by the border patrol or some shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Convenient excuses. This has been the reasoning used to justify Dems doing nothing for decades. Show me the effort or don't talk about desire.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not having the votes isn't a convenient excuse, it's reality. I literally just gave you major legislation passed by the Democrats the last time they had control of Congress and POTUS. You're not asking for effort, you're asking for them to pass stuff and that requires more votes.

There are plenty of great progressive policy proposals that are supported by large swaths of the Democratic Party. Healthcare, ubi, abortion rights, immigration reform, etc. If they had to votes to pass shit and didn't, you'd have a solid point. But they don't, and there's plenty of evidence that if they had the votes they would pass more legislation. Can you point to a time in the last 50 years when the Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority in congress w control of POTUS, and didn't pass any major legislation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't take issue with your assertion that they don't have the votes based on the way they play the game but I don't agree that Manchin / Sinema / Lieberman are sufficient explanations for their lack of effort. There's always a convenient scapegoat for failing to do what they promised but at some point they have to own that failure instead of blaming it on a couple people.

Also, the ACA is not a major piece of legislation to anyone outside of Congress. It's a minor improvement over the completely unchecked shit show we had before but it is fundamentally no different than what we have always had. You're framing it like they were so close to offering a public option but my recollection of those events is that they cut that from the proposal almost immediately and with little to no negotiation. That's not fighting it's letting your opponent dictate terms. Same goes with any number of other strategies and pieces of legislation from the same period or Bidens first 2 years. Dems could have gotten rid of the filibuster and actually fought for progress but they decided not to. That was party leadership's decision, not Joe Manchin. People don't give a shit what Dems say they support because they won't even force a vote on most of it, much less actually implement it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Last time they had anything resembling a workable majority was during the Obama administration, when they passed the ACA over several months.

How is that W working out for the people now.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The ACA? Way better than it was before then. More people have coverage than before and pre-existing conditions can't disqualify a person. It still needs to improve to universal healthcare, but half of the country votes for the leopards, so change is difficult and slow.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The hospital that I worked for had a mini med plan that we paid into as that’s all our rural hospital could afford. It was a terrifying time to be alive.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you kidding? I personally know people who were not insured before ACA and maybe would be with serious health issues now or possibly even dead.

One I remember seeing crying, because insurance rejected her because she had situation where she had depression in the past and was suicidal. Like WTF?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good for them, sucks for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It sucks for you that other people are having their lives improved?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Manchin and Sinema

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The two "Democrats" that were giving the control weren't really Democrats. They even changed their party. Manchin at least was not hiding who he was (he was always known as a moderate Republican), but Sinema totally cheated her voters and sold herself as soon as it was possible.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

The media misses the hourly 'tRump opened his mouth, and here's what came out' coverage they were providing. It was the most return for the least effort. Find a few talking heads to argue what it means for [rolls dice] 'seniors' to fill a few hours of air.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's wrong with Kamala? Seems like Progressives have largely gotten over her record as AG. That's why they hid her in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Have they gotten over it? I didn’t know anyone had. Nor have I heard of any initiative she successfully handled

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It's like they had that meeting in The Boys and the argument was successful

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Man they really know what they're doing with this aren't they? Keep sowing those seeds of fear. Making Democrats try to panic.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Yep... they're making Democrats panic. It wasn't Biden losing a debate to Trump where he was already trailing in the polls, or that he struggled to complete a sentence without sounding like he had severe mental decline. It is the media who made Biden do that. Maybe CNN drugged him before the debate. Now that you mentioned it... I'm starting to wonder if the media is making Biden support genocide. It has to be the media though, no way it could be that Biden isn't the best person for the job.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not too sure about that...

It seems Gavin and Harris are polling much worse than Biden...

If the DNC and superdelegates are going to replace Biden, it is expected to happen at the convention.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I think this isn't specifically the Democrats that are pushing it, it is rich people who own the media, because Biden threatens to tax them more.

This outrage awfully reminds me of Hilary's emails.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not rich and think Biden should step down. I don't want Trump to get re-elected. I didn't want Trump to win in 2016, but there were Democrats like you that didn't listen to reality either.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And whom do you propose as a replacement?

That’s the fundamental problem with politics: 99% of the time it’s about what people don’t want. It’s so much easier than being for something or someone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Bernie? I mean, from where I sit he's always a seemed like your best candidate.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A second House Republican and a senior House GOP aide echoed those concerns to Fox News, with the aide saying explicitly that Biden's continued candidacy is Trump's best bet for reelection.

"Virtually any Democrat that potentially replaces Biden has an exponentially better chance of defeating Trump," the senior House GOP aide told Fox News. "Biden staying at the top of the ticket is the best-case scenario for a Republican trifecta."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've been saying it since last election.

If either Biden or trump stepped down, it would guarantee their party wins.

It's insane we're heading into an election where regardless of who wins, roughly two thirds of the country would be unhappy with the results.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You and me both. Been saying replace Biden for months.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Replacing Biden would actually re-energize the voters and base too. I'd prefer AOC most because I think she'd get the most attention and attract the most voters. I think they should do it now though rather than wait and have the delegates start casting votes to pick someone in the next week or two so that we can put all the support behind a new candidate that can actually do unscripted press conferences and talk policy & that is likeable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It's not going to be a progressive, let alone AOC. Get ready for a younger establishment-friendly moderate. Which would still be a drastic improvement and make my progressive ass breath a sigh of relief.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

While I'd prefer AOC, the more likely outcome would be someone like Gavin Newsom.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Handlers likely prefer him, put their people around him and drive policy while pops takes the heat.

Pretty sure the same thing is true for Trump.

These are gereatric and senile men. They ain't running shit, their staff are doing the real decisions

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Generic Democrat polls higher than basically any Democrat you give a name to. People like the idea of a Democrat but have issues with the individual likely candidates. See also the amount of delegates 'uncommitted' got over the candidates actually running in the primary in states that held one with that option.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

We need to support Joe Biden and ranked voting

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, no kidding. Donnie is clearly mentally unfit; it's just hard to get anyone to talk about that when you have Biden in the mix and they'd rather talk about Biden.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Donald Trump has gleefully celebrated growing calls for Joe Biden to end his reelection bid, confident that he can defeat any Democrat who challenges him — but some members of the GOP aren't so sure.

Graham added that Trump's focus now should be on picking a strong running mate to "add value in 2024, expand the map, prosecute the case against the liberals."

Trump has not yet announced a vice president pick in his campaign, but Graham noted that South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, North Dakota Gov.

Fox News reported a House Republican, who spoke to the outlet on the condition of anonymity, said a younger and potentially more popular candidate on the Democratic ticket would spell for "a tougher race" for Trump.

"Virtually any Democrat that potentially replaces Biden has an exponentially better chance of defeating Trump," the senior House GOP aide told Fox News.

"Crooked Joe Biden should ignore his many critics and move forward, with alacrity and strength, with his powerful and far reaching campaign," Trump's post, published Saturday, read.

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