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Derby, CT is a small, working-class, post-industrial town with a population which has been stagnant at about 12,000 for more than six decades.

The geniuses over at the Connecticut DOT decided that this obviously meant that the town's Main Street needed to be widened, by twice the size, destroying a number of historic buildings and uprooting numerous small community businesses in the process. That red stripe on the far left of the "After" pic is the new edge of the street.

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Congrats. Your small peaceful town is about to become a gas stop on the side of an interstate highway expansion.

Either it will boom and you'll all be gentrified out. Or it'll bust and dwindle away to literally a gas stop.

Flip a coin.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure the local business community (on the side that wasn't torn down) was all for it because it would bring so much more traffic to their business, but they'll soon discover they lost all foot traffic and nobody driving will stop either because they're going too fast to even see that there's a business there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

well, let em suffer then.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I see it mostly depending on where the Walmart goes..

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Cars (2006)

[–] [email protected] 74 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They widened it to add protected bike lanes, right?

[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They should remove the buildings on the other side, too.
Businesses can then operate directly out of the bed of a semi truck, and housing is provided by rental RVs.
For recreation, you can race from one stoplight to the next, or coal-roll some cyclists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

not that we would propose any locals be forced to cycle. convict cyclists will be imported.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 8 months ago

The before photo already had far too much road for a small town.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Lol, they demolished half the town for this?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

well, yeah; cars gotta live somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago

Just one more lane bro. All your problems will be fixed.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Probably in the Derby CT history books.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They needed to fix that overhead cable that didn't meet in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Beautiful stroadside shopping

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Are you sure it was the Connecticut DoT? It sounds like the mayor sold out your city.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

But think of the profits (those go to few individuals, elected people included). Very very short term profits that overall cause a net loss for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It looks a little awkward during construction but it'll all come together nicely once they put those buildings back up

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Narrator: Those buildings were not put back up

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Let's face it, those buildings were making traffic worse.

/s

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sad truth is more people drive through that town than to that town.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

This looks like a before after, but in the wrong order

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Old buildings like that can have massive maintenance, repair, and sustained costs while also being undesirable for businesses for a lack of modern infrastructure. Given the field behind them, these weren't central to the town and likely a good call to tear down.

How the space was used after that's a different discussion.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (4 children)

If Europe can keep their historic towns looking nice for literally thousands of years, we can keep a building for longer than 70.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

The vast majority of buildings built 1000 years ago, have fallen apart already.
The ones still around were built extremely well. Much better, than our 70 year old buildings.
Survivorship Bias

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You also have a vastly different culture. With that said, I'm pretty sure the US is in the top 20 in the world for number of UNESCO sites. I guess it's not number one, but I'll sleep with that.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The space will be used for a parking lot (originally was supposed to have a cycletrack, but that was deleted as well).

The project cost is $25 million. There will be long-term pavement maintenance costs that comes with the wider highway, not to mention the giant parking lot that is going in. There will be lost property tax revenue, and more death/injury. So it is highly doubtful the refurb costs of the buildings on that block would have been remotely close to all that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

A town that has been stagnant at 12000 people for 60 years doesn't spend, hell, doesnt have $25M to spend, for a project like this. There has got to be more to this story because this just doesn't make sense

Knock down buildings and widen a road, spending a lot of money and ruining infrastructure, to put in a parking lot in a town that sees no growth?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

It would been wonderful if they could've at least used the parking lot to host a farmers market.

You'd be amazed on the cost to refurbish even moderately older buildings. The last time I was looking at one it was $3 million for the plumbing alone in one building from the 1940's to be able to support CRAC units without risking soil in the lines.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

City or state would have had to pay to buy the properties anyway, though. Then the money spent on the widening could easily have been spent to modernize and update (or otherwise improve) the buildings.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even completely blind guessing, over even a 5 year gap, I'll bet the price of tearing them down was less than half the costs to the local community as keeping them and adding enough incentives to make businesses actually move in.

They could've totally used the space differently after, but tearing down was very likely the smart call.

If the road is a state route, the construction costs may even have been moved to the state tax budget and significantly save the local community money. The year on year costs wouldn't even be a fair fight at that point. They may have even made the road expansion as an intentional call to leverage the state tax burden to alleviate local tax burdens. Not knowing the area, I'm not gonna judge the call.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tearing down the properties has reduced their local property tax base and also no doubt reduced the values of the properties across the streets as well. It's creating a downward spiral of local tax revenue while no doubt increasing state maintenance obligations.

Decisions like this are why small towns like this are going broke. They make themselves easier to drive through and tear down the properties that constitute their tax base.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Only maybe, and assuming that the properties didn't already belong to the city anyhow. Often a city will purchase property to be able to eat the costs for new businesses moving in. However, the back drop is empty, so this wasn't a popular location. If the city couldn't get someone to rent without modernization, then the result was fair for property that was likely built out of the way when the city was growing since op said they were a little older and the population was stagnate.

I'm not arguing the road was a good call, I'm just saying keeping the buildings may not have been either. Another use would have been smarter, heck, even a solar farm given the open area to provide energy for the local community if the state government hasn't banned it like some.

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