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Closing streets in Montreal to traffic has proven popular with residents, tourists and businesses.

By Lex Harvey • Toronto Star

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh ma gaad! A Canadian city actually did it.

I've been talking about this for years. I live in Saskatoon and this city has a couple of amazing places that should be converted to car-free. Though I dont think that will ever happen here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I thought that's where they were headed on 21st Street and then on 2nd Avenue. Then they went backwards, at least on 21st. I think it was supposed to be a pedestrian mall, but it ended up being a parking mall, whatever that is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

There’s good reason to be cautious. These don’t always work well, and security can become an issue. Changing the built environment to support safe and active public spaces is challenging.

It would be great to know what factors make a pedestrian mall in a downtown core work well over the long haul and which don’t.

In the 1970s, several Canadian cities emulated European ones and created pedestrian spaces in their cores. Vancouver had a good length of Granville ‘theatre row’ closed for decades and Ottawa had Rideau closed to all but public transit. A great deal of infrastructure investment was made to make them appealing pedestrian spaces. Ottawa still has Sparks street completely vehicle free in the Parliamentary precinct.

Both Granville and Rideau were eventually reopened to traffic after they became crime focal points. Both were places women felt safe to walk on in the evening in the late 70s and early 80s, but by the 90s many pedestrians avoided them during the day and businesses left, replaced by boarded up storefronts.

All to say, not such a simple public good question as some are presenting here.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

With Olivia Chow it might happen.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Yep, they started with Ste-Catherine, sometimes St-Denis for just for laughs, Avenue Mont-Royal is car free too. It's pretty cool.

Old Montréal is a lot car free and it's beautiful

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

i hope so. i think making pedestrian friendly streets are something we are scared to try because its new, but i dont think its a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Do not want to try because the people don't want to give up the rural life, you mean.

Originally cities were built to free the people from having to use any form of transportation beyond their own two feet. They have slowly transitioned into wannabe rural areas because people have become increasingly enamoured with the idea of living like farmers, needing to get into a vehicle every time they go to do something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

"Pedestrian streets" are not really "new", it's just something that we as North Americans have forgotten about.

We see large Walmart parking lots as normal and 6 lane "strodes" as nothing weird in cities and suburbs.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I gotta get better at French

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

C'est plus poli d'utiliser vous avec des étrangeres

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t call it a ‘trial’.

It was in place for a couple of decades. Agreed that it failed in the end, as did Rideau street in Ottawa.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Article says it was in place for 5 weeks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was referring to the one in Vancouver.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yes but I had noted that there’s been a previous 2 decade installation on Granville in Vancouver elsewhere on the thread.

There’s been a lot of success with these in Europe, less in North America.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Refined form of Betteridge's law of headlines: if any headline asks "can Toronto" anything, the answer is definitely very no.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Can Toronto become worse?