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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 89 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

And violating [an app's] terms of service puts you in jeopardy under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986, which is the law that Ronald Reagan signed in a panic after watching Wargames (seriously!).

I watched it two days ago, that's tragicomic.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I know, right? Like how the hell do you get worried from such a silly movie.. Unless he knew the us military defense systems were in fact that weak, against people and their telephones.

Nah, Reagan was just a wuss.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 28 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Of all the things that happen in the movie, the thought that someone will have hooked a top-secret defense computer up to a modem is the one that is the absolute most believable.

Like, it's entirely going to have happened at some point.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I kind of expect it to be required, SCADA has had plenty of ancestry. But you'd expect the NSA to have been consulted on how to prevent interaction with the general public..

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[–] leftzero 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The story goes that, after watching the film, Reagan asked the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff ”Could something like this really happen? Could someone break into our most sensitive computers?”, and, after looking into it for a week, the general came back with the reply “Mr. president, the problem is much worse than you think.”, which prompted Reagan into setting off a series of interagency memos and studies that led to the signing of classified national security decision directive NSDD-145, “National Policy on Telecommunications and Automated Information Systems Security.”.

So... yeah, things probably actually were that bad, or even worse (except for the AI bit, of course).

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Has there ever, once, been an infosec issue that doesn't result in an investigation and someone then going 'oh my god, this is worse than anyone could have imagined'?

Teaching rocks to do math was a terrible, terrible idea.

[–] austinfloyd@ttrpg.network 5 points 7 months ago

If it wasn't an infosec issue (because no math rocks), it would be an opsec or comsec issue. We're the weak link unfortunately.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

also, just imagine the threat was that defense systems could be invaded by your average citizen.

Let's put resources to making them secure then, right? Nah, let's just make it illegal to guess passwords. That will surely prevent bad things from happening.

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[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The nuclear codes for decades was 00000000. That's all you needed to launch nukes.

Our cyber security was atrocious

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

At least now it's 00000000!123

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Maybe it's my ADHD, but I actually feel much better (very light and easy) reading such things. Nukes with zero launch codes, laws being made after watching movies for teens, Soviet caliber differences intended to make Soviet ammunition just a bit too large to be usable by the potential enemy, BTR-1 being basically a transport so that infantry wouldn't die while traversing nuked land, thus with no real protection against anything, and so on.

I mean, nuking another country by mistake is better than not nuking it when necessarily, or so someone judged. But some other people wanted some protection against fools, so theoretically they had that.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 62 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The last time Congress managed to pass a federal consumer privacy law was in 1988: The Video Privacy Protection Act. That’s a law that bans video-store clerks from telling newspapers what VHS cassettes you take home. In other words, it regulates three things that have effectively ceased to exist.

Corey Doctorow always hits so hard

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And even though it's being labeled as a "consumer privacy law" it was actually spurred by a politician getting upset that people might find out what he was renting. It was a self-serving law that had the side effect of also helping consumers.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't it because a couple of anti-porn politicians were outed as having renting porn tapes (yet another thing that doesn't really exist anymore)

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

IIRC that was what happened.

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[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Great read. Great summation of the last 30+ years.

Longer than I wanted to keep reading, not dissatisfied that I kept reading.

[–] BroccoLemuria@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for your comment, it encouraged me to actually read the article and I completely agree. Long but worth the read

[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago

And your comment encouraged me to immediately read the entire thing haha

[–] mke@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Always sweet to see folks incentivize each other to engage with content!

For anyone still daunted by the article, I expect the DEFCON channel will upload this talk soon, which might be more up your alley.

[–] fart_pickle@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Let me save you the time and summarize the blog post - internet got worse, big tech is bad and the author is just ranting how bad it is nowadays. Nothing new, no idea how to fix it, just complaining about the modern world.

I'm not saying the author is wrong. It's just I heard this many times before.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 76 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You didn't read it. Also why is it when someone takes time to address an issue like this, there is guarantee a post like this to dismiss it in favor of basically doing fuck all. Like the implication here is that you're trying to diminish the effort for what? What's the reason when you didn't even read it.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The entire second half of the column is literally how to fix it.

[–] fart_pickle@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I think we have read a different blog post. There was something about Google's antitrust thingy and that all big tech should be regulated but no straight solution were given.

Again, I agree withe the thesis but honestly, anyone who's focused on privacy would tell you the same but in way fewer words.

BTW, similar issue was raised in The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. Pretty good read.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

You think Cory Doctorow isn't focused on privacy?

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

anyone who’s focused on privacy would tell you the same but in way fewer words.

Corey Doctorow literally wrote the books on privacy. He coined the term Enshitification. He's even been portrayed as a guest character in a couple of XKCD comics. Generally he's someone to listen to on anything security, privacy or tech policy related

No, fart_pickle knows all.

[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

There was 2,177 words in the "how to fix" portion of the blog post, you dumbass.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago

The author of this post, Cory Doctorow, literally coined the term “enshittification” in a prior blog post. I think he of all people is allowed to continue talking about the topic as much as he wants.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The article proposes restoring competition, regulation, interoperability and tech worker power as response; in case anyone was wondering.

[–] fart_pickle@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And the solution for world hunger is to distribute food from rich countries into the poor countries. Here, I've fixed the famine issue. Do you get my point? It's easy to say what to do but when it comes to the details, all those preachers fail short in giving the real solution to the real problem. As I said before, this is just a rant about how bad modern world is.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 7 points 7 months ago

These are problems that require legislative action to fix, which is why he is encouraging the nerds and hackers who will be most affected by tech policy and understand the tech the most to start meeting with their legislators to discuss tech policy as it comes up for votes

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

When software changes in a way the user dislikes there's often no choice but to put up with it or stop using it, because it's proprietary. I think this could be fixed if people were to adopt the value of free software and began to ditch proprietary software.

[–] fart_pickle@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's nothing wrong with proprietary software as long as it's respects user's privacy and doesn't do crazy licensing stuff.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It is very difficult to tell if a program is respecting user's privacy without the source code to verify what it's actually doing. When you can't see or change what it does then the developer is the one in control of the computing, and even a good intentioned dev will have to resist the temptation to gain at the user's expense.

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[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Just ratted on yourself and dipped, huh?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm waiting until someone invents antidisenshittificationism

[–] YooperJeff@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you just did. Good job, you get a cookie 🍪

[–] slumberlust@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is this a third party cookie?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 7 months ago

Yes, we are monitoring

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The telephone jumped the shark a few years ago. Now no one expects using the phone for legit business. Now it's email.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

I ask everyone I give my number to to text me first so I can verify

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The solution is to reject any monetization of anything online. Anti advertise. If a content creator has ads take a minute to talk about how the product is the worst. Maybe it started a fire from a friend of a friend basement and killed their whole family. Maybe it made someone you know infertile. If a marketing team acts like a celebrity to promote rampart, you do what we all did in the rampart ama no matter what it is. Reject anyone trying to monetize and capitalize on the internet until all the assholes that running ever other medium leaves.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Amazon used to sell products, not Shein-grade self-destructing dropshipped garbage from all-consonant brands.

I knew it wasn't just my imagination. Amazon has been filled with cheap Chinese knock-off brands in recent years, to the point where I may as well be using Temu or Wish for a bargain.

If you went from the internet's storefront to an upmarket AliExpress, that's not a good sign.

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