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Everyone defending Stein needs to ask themselves why in the world they would ask for votes for trump if you aren't voting green.
There's only one answer and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.
A-fucking-men.
They can say they're voting green because the Democrats are too conservative for them, but if that's their go-to excuse then I'd say it's time to dump them now no? The party they support is just a lie to get conservatives in office.
Funny how she only pops up during presidential elections and doesn't seem to give two shits about the green party during literally any other election.
Look I'm not the smartest person but I genuinely don't know what the answer is. Can you tell me what page of the back of the book it's on?
It's on page 69420 huehuehue.
The answer is: she's either a puppet being paid to help conservatives win power by taking potential Democratic voters, or she genuinely wants to help conservatives win power by taking potential Democratic voters. There's no reality where she's progressive or "left" of anything short of fascism.
When every goddamn election is down to like 13 people in some swing state then every vote matters. An exaggeration of course but not by much...
Oh yeah I remember how the green party caused Florida to be just barely conservative in 2000 when the supreme Court blocked the recount.
It really sucks to see.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
The supreme Court and Roger Stone stole the 2000 election in Florida. Al Gore had more votes once a proper recount was done. It was a completely stolen election blaming a third party is ridiculous
I got 2 downvotes so far but this is a sincere question
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The comment that was liked says to "vote her if not Trump", it doesn't say to vote "Trump if not her".
A very important nuance. A more charitable explanation is that she is trying to get undecided voters. Which is exactly what a presidential candidate is supposed to do.
I agree both that there is a nuance in the difference strong enough to make the tweet in the post misleading/incorrect, and that Jill Stein is still nonetheless actively a bad-faith candidate who wishes for Trump to win
“vote her if not Trump”,
Sounds like Stein puts up a clear either/or choice for people. In other words, if you aren't voting for the weird orange felon, deprive Kamala Harris of a vote, and everyone knows Jill hasn't a chance in hell of winning. It is not nuanced at all.
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I went through my saved threads recently and there were many things there I don't remember seeing, never liked, and would not have had any interest in saving. Yet they ended up there because I fat finger things. Add the possibility of other social media persons having access to the account, liking it because she personally knew the person and didn't really cared what it said, etc, it seems like a single media account like isn't really that useful...
Who knows how many comments and posts I've accidentally up voted or down voted without even realizing it....
If that is supposed to be your ultimate proof that horseshoe theory is real, you might have some more convincing to do
I wish it was, meaning ultimate as in "final", so they won't bring up that Enlightened Centrist bullshit again..
Jill Stein; world's most famous tankie.
Not even sure if she's a tankie as much as just a complete asshole
She is. It has always meant "when Russian tanks are coming, submit, don't resist, of course the Russians are justified rolling their tanks into other countries."
Stein is happy for every town in Ukraine to end up like Bucha, Bakhmut, and Mariupol. She's a tankie.
I'm not a fan of Stein and definitely not of Trump, but this seems like a very circumstantial and flimsy thing to base that claim on.
That’s literally not even how horseshoe theory works
Jill who had dinner with Putin? SHOCKED I tell you!!! It seems like the 'green' party is just paid with greenbacks by putin's government.
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"Dems need to be stopped" from doing what? Providing lunch for kids?
YUP.
Jill Stein has done more damage to the green movement in America than anyone else could have. She exists solely to damage Democrats and more importantly damage leftists. Her goal is to delegitimize and marginalize the green movement. She sucks all the money that could be spent doing real good at local levels where environmental issues can have the most effect. Presidential boondoggles all while City councils local Mayors local Congressman Etc could be affected.
Horseshoe theory is shit.
Just to be clear.
Enemy action is not what horseshoe theory describes either though.
If jill Stein and the green party were serious about being elected then they'd be supporting state and local green party candidates. You never hear about jill Stein at midterm elections stumping for congressional seats.
The greens aren't a serious political party, they're cosplayers running a pyramid scheme
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Oh wow, I wonder what the next excuse the greens will give me when I point out that they're a joke spoiler party, now that we have evidence that they're a joke spoiler party.
Ranked. Choice. Voting.
Speaking of, Canada is potentially taking a second swing at electoral reform soon. Who knows... Good timeline, it might kick something off
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To be fair, Jill Stien isn't running her own Instagram account. It's probably some intern that's scrolling through comments and liking anything that says, "vote Green."
Could someone with Instagram check if she maybe just likes any comment that says vote green?
This does seem like a stretch. We definitely need forces pulling the ruling party to the left to counteract forces pulling them to the right. With AOC and Bernie softening their tone, and most of the squad eradicated by AIPAC, the balance is off. I wish the Greens had come up with someone fresh instead of running Stein yet again.
Jill Stein has some good ideas but her party needs to spend some quality time working on a very narrow set of counties/states they're strongest in.
I think there will be some appetite in the electorate for an anti-establishment, voter-reform, anti-corruption left party. The US sorely needs a nice set of representatives that bring forward fresh ideas and criticism to the parliament.
The strategy for third parties should always be to get some seats and then hope for a hung parliament to get one or two policies adjusted and voter reform as a coalition agreement.
Jill Stein has some good ideas
She does not.
I don't know any of her specific policy ideas, so I can't comment on those, but I was under the impression that her main idea was the whole "we should all stop trashing the planet we all live on" thing, which is, generally speaking, a very good idea. I admit that doesn't mean her plans to do something about it are any good.
Yeah, I heard some slogans at one point and I thought "That's sounds pretty nice, let's check her out". I then watched a single interview with her and I was thoroughly disappointed. No plan, no knowledge about the problem, no idea about common solutions. Not even just answering with a politician segue into a prepared statement either, just a train wreck.
I think the green party might go somewhere, just not under Jill Stein.
I read her policy page. To the extent you might call some things good "ideas", she generally doesn't present an actual plan to get there, so they are just wishes rather than plans.
But there are some plans, but they are generally flawed. One common thread is a declaration of doing something not within the authority of the presidency, declaring policies that are state level, legislature, or even foreign governments.
Sometimes the concrete plans just logically don't make fundamental sense. As an example, she simultaneously wants to disband the UN security council, but also have the UN security council hold Israel accountable, which is contradictory.
She also just has flat out terrible ideas. Disband NATO, let Russia just win their invasion of Ukraine in the interest of "peace".
Then there are the ideas that sound good, but are too naive. Climate reparations to poor countries sound good, but history shows that approach ends poorly (inadvertently undermining local economy at best, to funding brutal warlords). Aid can't just be a check, and it's a tricky situation to navigate.
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jill stein way predates trump. this title is stupid. full stop.
She's the only anti-genocide candidate on the ballot. That's enough to get my vote
She's the only anti-genocide candidate on the ballot. That's enough to ~~get~~ waste my vote.
Fixed it for you.
She's not even anti genocide. Russia bombs hospitals and schools and kidnaps children and attempts the extermination of the Ukrainian people, she doesn't object to that. In fact when it comes to the genocide of Ukrainian people she says we should stay out of it cuz it doesn't affect us. Which is an interesting stance this take if you claim to be anti- genocide.
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