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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 118 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Trickle down never worked, this is end game capitalism, something else needs to be added to this mix to fix this mess.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Trickle down didn't work in the 1980's or anytime after that.

Trickle down did work in the 1940's, 1950's, and most of the 1960's, it just wasn't called "trickle down" at that time.

The difference was a punitively high tax rate that nobody actually paid, because they found better ways to spend their excess revenue than simply giving it to Uncle Sam.

It turns out that when the richest among us are forced to spend instead of lend, the rest of us finally start to earn fair wages.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, that's not really "trickle down" as championed by Reagan, that's more "use it or lose it". He wanted to reduce those crazy high tax rates to give the rich the choice of whether to keep the money for later or to spend it now, with "trickle down" being the phrase to tell people that it's fine, it'll make it's way out to everyone else... eventually?

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[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

something else needs to be added to this mix to fix this mess

Could Universal Basic Income play a role in this?

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Band aid solution. The system remains unchanged. The billionaires still make their profits off of the backs of you and me.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was a "this day in history" tidbit a day or two because it was the anniversary of the last guillotine execution.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The last so far.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well there was this guy called Karl Marx, who tried to suggest solutions to the problems of capitalism.

...but I hear he's not trending these days. Wrong kind of people liked his stuff.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Actually socialism is more popular now than ever. Enough that mainstream media constantly writes scare articles about how socialist the young generations are.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The media thinking they can threaten me with a good time...

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is where it's time to revisit why and how the economy fared so well in the USA when high top marginal tax rates incentivized top earners (and business owners) to spend on things that got them something when the alternative was paying 90% on money above the line to be in that bracket.

When that money was spent on higher wages or hiring more people or funding pensions or on research & development, the result was growth and a prosperous middle class. The super-wealthy were still super-wealthy, the major difference was that high top marginal tax rates created incentives for them to spend their money in ways that actually did trickle down

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Indeed, "use it or lose it" versus "keep it and we presume you might use it... one day"

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We're seeing so many economic problems being caused too much wealth being concentrated. Supply side economics was a stupid idea from the outset, but now we're in the supply side economics endgame.

The wealthy are using that wealth to make products no one needs while people are struggling to afford the things they actually do need. $3500 for Apple goggles? We don't need that and couldn't afford it if we did. How about yet another streaming service? Don't need it, can't afford it. Maybe some VR goggles the you can use to go into a virtual world where you're a legless cartoon character? We'll rename the company after this new product, that'll get people to buy it for sure!

Well shit, it seems the wealthy have so much money, they don't have anywhere to put it. Doesn't seem like enough people are buying the products they develop with that wealth, so what can they invest that money in? I know, maybe they should put it into real estate! Great, now ordinary people can't afford a place to live. Yay, supply side economics is working great!

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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 20 points 2 years ago

This is one of the main factors behind my vote this year.

That, free dental, and also keeping the ocean from getting too close to my house.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is anything ever going to happen though?

[–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

Sure, once the people who have their entire campaign funded by these rich people vote on our behalf

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

The calls are growing up so fast, like weeds. /s

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