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People not voting for Harris because of Gaza need to avoid watching the debate, otherwise they’ll change their minds. No matter how bad things are, they can get worse.
Why is it always 'voters need to lower their standards', and never 'candidates need to be decent human beings'?
Because we have an unjust voting system, and petulantly refusing to vote can and will get people killed, and rights stripped from millions.
Because having a tantrum because reality does not conform to your sense of fairness not only accomplishes fuck-all, but actively makes things worse.
Because when you let perfect become the enemy of good, you end up with neither.
instead of whining about voting for somebody you don't absolutely love all aspects of, why don't you use your time advocating to change the voting system so that you can vote for somebody else meaningfully.
Fox News poll, right after the debate.
Boomertown.
Fox is conservative STATE propaganda. No different to Russian or North Korean state propaganda. Regardless of the blatant bias, there is literally nothing stopping them from manufacturing this "poll" out of thin air.
Fox isn’t state media. I dislike the mendacious fuckers as much as the next guy but let’s try and stick to facts.
The US has very few state media organizations. Voice of America is one. Radio Free Europe is another.
Fox is an independent organization, if they were state media the Biden admin would have control of their news. That obviously isn’t the case.
Good news is 8% managed to get their head out of their ass. Who is answering that poll besides hardcore conservatives?
Russian Bots
The comment about Haitian immigrants eating cats definitely clenched it for me.
My ass cheeks that is. As I was dying laughing.
It will change a lot.
This will dramatically increase the number of Republicans who will tell everyone they're not voting for him, and then vote for him.
A few Republicans I know said they were going to vote libertarian or just not vote after watching the debate so she did pretty fucking well.
Despite how much they go on about how nuanced and special their views are, libertarians will find a way to vote GOP like they always do.
I'm sure they said that.
I like to lie about things I'm ashamed of too.
Did she? I listened to the debate and she sounded mid for most of it. She spent more time attacking Trump than she did answering the questions she was asked.
Sure, she fared better than her predecessor, but "not shitting her pants" is a low bar. Trump was definitely worse than her, but again, if the bar is "don't act butthurt when your opponent says your rallies are boring", then congrats, I guess.
Reading comments from both sides, it seems that the left sees her not being geriatric as a win; and the right thinks that Trump was unjustly treated (targeted questions, live fact-checking, etc...), which is absurd considering that (a) they also asked Harris difficult questions (fracking and Israel, for example, which she did have a hard time answering), and (b) he was given free reign to talk out of order more times than I can count.
I think Harris "won" because Trump sucked. He sidestepped questions regarding an abortion ban ("I haven't talked with JD about it" fucking lol) and Ukraine ("Do you want Ukraine to win the war?" "I want the war stopped" TWICE in a row, followed by "I know Putin really well" and a rant about the awesomeness of Victor Orban); he repeatedly told lies (post-birth abortion and pets-eating immigrants being the highlight) which were promptly caught by the live fact-checker, and even showed weakness and undecisiveness ("do you have a plan?" "I have concepts of a plan").
But those are blunders that Trump committed, not something that Harris should take credit for. Nothing I heard screamed of "masterclass" debate, and I doubt that it will give her an edge in the upcoming elections or sway electors one way or the other. After all, the people who lived under four years of Trump's presidency and watched January 6th unfold live, and still call themselves "undecided" are pretty much lying to themselves at this point.
Enlightened centrist bullshit
Yes, that whole paragraph sounded like "She won" in an awful lot of frustrated and apologetic words
She spent more time attacking Trump than she did answering the questions she was asked.
But those are blunders that Trump committed, not something that Harris should take credit for.
I don't think it's generous to conclude that many of those blunders can in fact be credited to Harris deliberately striking his ego.
Those still undecided aren't going to change their vote because of actual policy. But some don't want to be associated with losers - and showing just how much of a loser Trump is might make them at least not vote for him.
That's a strategy.
Tell yourself if it's more important to make Trump look like an idiot or to say actual policy right now. We're all voting for Kamala we just need the idiots to not vote for Trump
I think she actually attacked him less than she should have. Trump said he didn't know who the President is anymore. That seemed like a perfect opportunity to call out how much his age is affecting his judgement and clearly everyone else can tell you who the President is.
it seems that the left sees her not being geriatric as a win
Who on the left?
Some Republican politicians will switch perhaps.