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[–] [email protected] 236 points 6 months ago (5 children)

So what exactly is open about their ai

[–] [email protected] 285 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It’s called OpenAI because they are open to stealing content to train their AI

[–] [email protected] 65 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You made this?

...I made this!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Can't argue with objective truth

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

It's criminal they're keeping the name OpenAI

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

They put open in their name to get good talent, investments and so people would have a soft spot for them when they collect tons of data to build their product.

Their internal chats that were released in musk lawsuit reveals they knew they were gonna switch to for profit model (they here means the top brass). But they still lied to everybody about their intentions.

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[–] [email protected] 153 points 6 months ago (6 children)

reminder, there are localy ran LLMs. Right now is a vital time for open source to fight against closed source in the AI arms race.

https://www.nomic.ai/gpt4all

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Another good resource to help people find models https://llm.extractum.io

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I like Ollama, and recommend it to tinker, but I admit this "LLM Explorer" is quite neat thanks to sections like "LLMs Fit 16GB VRAM"

Ollama just works but it doesn't help to pick which model best fits your needs.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Almost like Sam Altman is just another run of the mill tech bro scam guy.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

I don't think he is a "tech bro scam guy", i think he is worse like he is smart and has a documented track record of lying. Unlike other tech bros, he actually knows the capability /limits of his products and he still lies and makes it out to be something it's not.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The fact that Silicon Valley interests effortlessly shrugged off the non-profit board's attempt to hit the kill switch last year, and now are preparing to take the company commercial despite the deliberate design otherwise, becomes much more interesting when you consider the theory that corporations are a form of artificial superintelligence.

If the AI idealists can't stand up to basic forces of capitalism, how do they expect to control an actually dangerous AGI?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the AI idealists can't stand up to basic forces of capitalism, how do they expect to control an actually dangerous AGI?

My guess is they don't expect to. I guess that that is one of the reasons they seem to not care about out of control climate change; burn it all down before it all literally burns down.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Hey, remember when you guys lined up to suck his dick when the board tried to keep OpenAI working for the good of humanity instead of the oligarchy?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hate being right

Why do people keep being fooled by rich assholes

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (10 children)

People have grown up reading comic books and watching movies about generous billionaire superhero saviors. They want to believe that exists because it's what they've been taught justice looks like.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, that was a strange moment. Those in the company being for Altman, I can understand. They expected big returns of investment from keeping him around. But the outsiders on the internet cheering him on? Felt like Elon Musk in the beginning again. And yes I also fell for his engineer persona in the beginning. But I learned from that.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Probably has to be renamed to "ClosedAI" then.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Step 1. Make an AI that hoovers up content.

Step 2. When owners of content complain about privacy violations and copyright infringement, allay their fears. This AI is for the Good of Humanity.

Step 3. ???

Step 4. Profit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

Yet another example of doing crime at a big enough scale that you get rewarded for it. That's what this country was built on.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

... To the surprise of absolutely nobody

Actually I have a question and I admit knowing nothing of the legal framework here but...

Isn't it absolutely ridiculous that a not-for-profit entity can exists solely for the purpose of developing a closed-source piece of software, demand to train it for free off copyrighted material, just to switch to a for-profit entity??

Sound 100% like tax avoidance. Like me registering a charity so I can throw a mega concert/party privately, secure preferencial treatment on supplies, get discounts on artists or even free performance and then switch to for profit as I start selling tickets

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

Originally all their work was supposed to be published and shared with the world, hence the "open" in OpenAI. However somewhere along the way they made a for-profit break off of the original company and started pulling everything in that direction.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

OpenAI: It's not fair to charge us to use copywriten works.

Also OpenAI: Also you have to pay us for using them.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

How exactly does one “outgrow” “AGI for the benefit of all humanity?

OpenAI Charter https://openai.com/charter

Our primary fiduciary duty is to humanity. We anticipate needing to marshal substantial resources to fulfill our mission, but will always diligently act to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders that could compromise broad benefit.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago

As Ed said, Sam Altman has been a plague.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Just want to point out that it absolutely is possible to train an AI that will keep track of its sources for inspiration and can attribute those when it makes a response.

Meaning creators could be compensated for their parts of AI generated stuff, if anyone wanted to.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wild for a company that's never made a profit

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How is this going to work while OpenAI currently burns through an absolute ocean of cash to keep improving its services? Alongside this, a good software engineer or applied scientist can make close to $1m a year. While I do think professionals should earn what their value is to an employer, OpenAI still loses a ton of money.

As someone that works in AI, I think most of us know it's full of people trying to make a quick buck while investors will stupidly throw money at it. OpenAI is ultimately the figurehead of this market though, because at least the big companies can prop their AI offerings with the money they make from shopping, cloud, ads, etc. The second OpenAI looks weak and needs money, the vultures will slice off a piece and we'll see the AI market reduce to a wimper - just enough for tech to focus on the next grift.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

Surely they will be sued into oblivion if they tried right? Them being non profit was the main pillar holding up their defense for scraping the web into datasets.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

........ They weren't before?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

Yeah, they weren't as synergized. Now they're coordinating with key stakeholders to maximize the efficiency of their aggressive roadmap. Or something, I kinda suck at business jargon.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

This is what Ilya saw...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Much open, very organic, very demure, so mindful.

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