this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2024
213 points (100.0% liked)

PC Gaming

10692 readers
333 users here now

For PC gaming news and discussion. PCGamingWiki

Rules:

  1. Be Respectful.
  2. No Spam or Porn.
  3. No Advertising.
  4. No Memes.
  5. No Tech Support.
  6. No questions about buying/building computers.
  7. No game suggestions, friend requests, surveys, or begging.
  8. No Let's Plays, streams, highlight reels/montages, random videos or shorts.
  9. No off-topic posts/comments, within reason.
  10. Use the original source, no clickbait titles, no duplicates. (Submissions should be from the original source if possible, unless from paywalled or non-english sources. If the title is clickbait or lacks context you may lightly edit the title.)

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 45 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 73 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well then I'll be patient and pick it up on a deep discount. No skin off my back. I already went 14 years without playing it.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's on switch and always on sale. I think I got it for $20. I'm sure after a bit on PC price will drop.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Switch is great for games made for the Switch. It's pretty terrible for games made for more powerful platforms. It takes forever for stuff to load, and the GFX are poor.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

OK, how is this relevant here? Red dead redemption was developed for Xbox 360 and PS3, which are significantly less powerful than the Switch. And RDR runs at a much higher resolution on the switch

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I didn't realize that RDR was created for less powerful systems and runs well on Switch. I guess I'm thinking of RDR2. Every cross platform game I've bought for my Switch so far has been a pretty big bummer.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not even cross platform games, I was pretty peeved about some of the performance for BOTW (zelda). I mean, I've played plenty of laggy games before (and still do) but having paid a hefty price for a brand new system and their leading game to still have noticeable lag spikes just irks me.

[–] SaveMotherEarthEDF@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Hard agree but if you want to give it another try then overclocking the RAM to 1600 MHz gets rid of all the stutters in both BOTW and TOTK.

I am now spoiled and can't play both games otherwise. You would need to flash custom firmware in your switch for this though.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

1600? Damn, I didn't realize it is that slow. Have you had any heat or stability issues after overclocking?

[–] SaveMotherEarthEDF@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No issues since overclocking almost an year ago. Maybe a slight decrease in battery life but that might just be the higher fps in games or my aging switch. Also you can set per game overclock profiles inside switch. You get the full UI interface these days so even if by some chance it causes issues you can tweak it without leaving your game!

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I'm going to try this. My wife bought Civ 6 for the Switch instead of one of our better platforms for some reason, and it runs awful. Each turn takes like 5 minutes for the computer opponents once you have significant development. It's almost unplayable once you get to advanced eras.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They can get fucked with that stupid as launcher

Never again...

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 2 points 5 months ago

Some username squatter stole my gamer tag (which is wholly unique, pronounceable in English but utterly gibberish) on Rockstar's stupid account system, and RDR2 being a single player game I was already pissed off. Then the settings required a restart of the game to change even the littlest things, like turning on captions, except the settings would never save.

So I got a refund and went to the high seas, got a version of the game that actually works and doesn't require an unnecessary account login, and I'm playing in 10 minutes.

AAA game publishers don't even make games anymore, they just sell user data.

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

On the one hand, this is bullshit. A 14 y/o game shouldn’t cost more than its successor. On the other hand, I remember reading, the reason for RDR having never been released for pc (until now) was that the version of the RAGE engine they used was based on the one from GTA IV but severely modified with features that were originally meant for the version of the engine that would ultimately power GTA V. Those modifications apparently weren’t documented particularly well, making it unprofitably difficult to port to PC at the time. So my guess is, that the steep price isn’t just corporate greed but to some extent actually for a lot of work making sense of a 14 year old frankenstein monster of an engine and getting it to work well on modern architectures.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And it's the gamers problem that rockstar is shit at documenting their own engine? It's not like they used someone else's engine that went out of business, it was their own code.

Just makes me have even less faith in the near non existing faith I have in this company

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It‘s the gamers' problem that they complain but then buy it anyways for that price instead of waiting until the game is on sale. Rockstar has no reason not to charge full price, as long as some idiot pays it. All I‘m saying is, that greed isn’t the only reason for the price, if that interview I read was to be believed.

[–] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If they only released RDR on PS3, this explanation might make sense as the engine would be heavily optimised for PS3. But they also released on Xbox 360, which is the closest console platform to Windows in terms of architecture. It wouldn't have been that expensive to port.

[–] all-knight-party@fedia.io 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think there must be a degree of truth to the spaghetti code backstory, otherwise Rockstar would've just ported it already and raked in the cash

[–] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago

The one thing that could cause serious porting pain would be the need to support high/variable frame rates. That could require a whole bunch of code to be refactored.

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To windows, sure. But the 360 and PS3 have PowerPC processors while PCs and modern consoles have a very different architecture (x86). And porting to that is more effort.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That applies to all ports from PS3 then, doesn't it?

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Of course. But usually you’re not porting 14 y/o spaghetti code

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're right in the first half. I don't see why anyone should pay more for inefficient work. I don't want to go to the mechanic who drags his feet and bills me for an extra 2 hours of work that wasn't necessary.

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Oh absolutely. Anyone who wants it should wait for a sale at the very least. You‘ve waited 14 years, you can wait a few more months.

[–] Rekonok@sh.itjust.works 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

And for the peoples who do not want to fill the cookies form

$49.99/ £39.99

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Use Noscript. It's quite surprising how many articles can actually be read without allowing any Javascript and cookie forms won't show up (it often is annoying though, so I cannot seriously recommend this).

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Imnersive view on firefox works well for those sites too

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah... It's annoying to start but I've got a pretty good white-list for Javascript now.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The secret ingredient is....

Piracy

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And this is exactly why I laugh when PC gamers bitch about being ignored. As a dev, why would I want to sell to an unpleasable, toxic audience that's just gonna steal the product anyways?

[–] tokeholdlaunch@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why should anyone pay $50 for a game that's 14 years old?

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is asking you to. You can just not.

I don't think most things at the store are worth what they cost, but I don't steal them and justify it later

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago

Except the difference between a person not buying the game and a person pirating it is literally nothing from the perspective of the company. Except actually, as many devs have found and acknowledged, people who pirate the game often actually result in increased word of mouth and publicity, and things like merch sales, not to mention many go on to buy the game later when they never would have if they hadnt pirated it first. So saying "just dont buy it" is kinda fucking dumb, because thats all theyre doing in the first place, and the only negative consequence of piracy for the company is a "potential lost sale" that never would have happebed anyway.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 23 points 5 months ago

meh I could never get past the fact that the red dead games just have shit gunplay in my opinion, it is kind of shocking how little rockstar seems to care about putting fun rewarding gunplay into their games.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

As I did with every other Rockstar game I have ever paid for, I'll get it on sale. I've never really been a hardcore fan anyway. And I have such a backlog of games that by the time I'd get around to playing it, it will probably be on sale.

[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago

This is what we deserve really, we keep letting it happen

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

The switch version runs on yuzu FYI

[–] zante@lemmy.wtf 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They got that money bug

[–] Banichan@dormi.zone 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They were playing the long game by making Red Dead Redemption 2 so shit that everyone would come back to the first one at a raised cost.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Red Dead 2 is a masterpiece idk what you're on about.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

2 wasn’t the game I wanted but there were things the original did better

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lol talk about hyperbolic idiocy.

I have this issue with gamers who have no in between. If a game isn't a 11/10 they call it "shit". Like really dude? I can happily play a 7/10 game while you guys bitch and call it unplayable. But this is the first time I've ever heard anyone call red dead 2 shit lol. I hate to say this, but if you think rdr2 is a bad/badly made game, you're either full of shit and a contrarian, or your taste in games is awful

[–] Banichan@dormi.zone 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, RDR2 is shit because it runs like shit. It's not even fucking playable, yet lots of people have somehow lowered their expectations enough to enjoy that piece of shit. GTA V runs on the same engine and it's perfectly smooth.

Now take your petty little insults that try to make you feel bigger and fuck right off

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Lol dude were you trying to play it on an i5 or something? Lol rdr2 is smooth as butter and flawless

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's like they didn't know what emulators are. Weird.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Funny, Lemmy keeps telling me emulators are not for piracy yet here we are