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The company behind Trump Watches prominently features an iconic image of the presidential candidate on its timepieces. There’s one big problem: It’s not allowed to.

According to the Associated Press, though, TheBestWatchesonEarth LLC advertised a product it can’t deliver, as that image is owned by the 178-year-old news agency. This week, the AP told WIRED it is pursuing a cease and desist against the LLC, which is registered in Sheridan, Wyoming. (The company did not reply to a request for comment about the cease and desist letter.)

Evan Vucci, the AP’s Pulitzer Prize–winning chief photographer, took that photograph, and while he told WIRED he does not own the rights to that image, the AP confirmed earlier this month in an email to WIRED that it is filing the written notice. “AP is proud of Evan Vucci’s photo and recognizes its impact,” wrote AP spokesperson Nicole Meir. “We reserve our rights to this powerful image, as we do with all AP journalism, and continue to license it for editorial use only.”

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago (5 children)

As usual, this probably won’t amount to even so much as a slap on the gold-plated wrist for him

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well, that's kind of what a cease and desist is. It says, in a formal but mostly polite way, "stop doing that or we'll become less nice".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

The watch website says the final version may not look like the pictures. Also they don't have a production or delivery timeline and no promises of delivery.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (17 children)

I mean I'll lead by saying "fuck Trump" however I would be a little annoyed if I wanted to use a depiction of myself and someone came to yell at me about it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Actually no, when you go to a professional photographer to have your picture taken, you pay for it. Because they put in the work and need to be compensated for it. By that logic people would never have to pay photographers for portraits, weddings, none of that. Just because you’re in a picture doesn’t mean you don’t owe a debt to the person who took it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

This would decimate the photography industry.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Yeah try getting copies of a copyrighted portrait made. Wedding photos, school portraits, you name it. Not yours.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Well yes and no.

A famus artist may sell a picture of theirs to a company, them RHAT company has the copyright, not you.

Lots of artists don't own their music, don't own their likeness either.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Agreed. Hate to be that person but I definitely agree with you. It's literally a picture of himself. I detest the man but this is dumb to be fair.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I do some professional photography. If I take a picture, I own it unless there's a written agreement that says otherwise. You can't claim ownership rights of a photo just because you're in it - especially a photo taken in a public space.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

It's really not dumb. If copyright law worked that way, no photographer who included human subjects would be able to make a living. Artists deserve to be able to sustain themselves from their labor.

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[–] leftzero 40 points 5 months ago (4 children)

This guy doesn't even know how to breathe without doing something illegal, does he..?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago

Add it on the pile hoss, there's a lot of shit to shovel

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago

Trumpers razor, the correct solution is most often crime

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I just want to say:

Fuck Copyright

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Sure, until you become a creative professional and you see someone with a lot more money than you making even more money off your work, and then you might instead say “fuck that guy”!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Most people say things like “fuck copyright” because it’s currently set up to benefit employers, large companies, and wealthy people; creators are an obstacle in copyright law. Current copyright law hinders creativity and centralizes wealth. Fuck copyright.

If copyright law was creator-centric, there would be a lot fewer people saying “fuck copyright”.

Personally I’d probably still be against copyright, but only if there was some other way to take care of artists, like a UBI or something.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If I ever produce a creative work I will release it into public domain.

A lot of authors and artists choose to release their work to the public domain voluntarily.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

A few do, sure. Not a lot, though. Pretty difficult to make a living if you're giving away your work for free.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm very interested in a creative perspective who is against copyright. I know there are some comedians that self publish but the expectation is that people will support them because they know the money actually goes to them. They don't do any DRM, but there are rules about how many times you can download their media, and whether you can send copies or not.

Louis CK comes to mind, who has copyright and licensing information in the terms and conditions on his page. There is an understanding though, that he doesnt care if you break the license. He has said he doesnt care of you pirate it even.

Would he be better off without copyright at all?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

If copyright protected the creatives then there would be a lot less antagonism against copyright. Most people are against it because it’s become a lever of control for big companies to use against both the creators and the public.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I've always believed that human subjects of photographs should have equal copy rights. Anyone can take your picture and then own that rendition of your face but you can't take a picture of the eiffel tower at night because you don't own the lights. Light bulbs have more rights than people.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Meh. The courts are set up to prevent laws from ever applying to Trump anyway. What's copyright law on the bonfire?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

I hate trump but I hate copyright law way more.

Ugh.... Go trump ... pukes

EDit: so many people are malding lmao. Even got boneheaded DMS ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ

[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do you also hate the wishes of the artist who sold it to the news agency to earn a living and keep the image under editorial use as opposed to being commercialized and sold to benefit the Trump campaign? Whether you agree with how it's being used or not, that's what the photographer decided was best for their work.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Copyright laws are bullshit in that their terms are way too long and are often too easily abused against people who are using copywritten materials under fair use. However copyright as a concept is not bullshit. Creative works, including photography, should absolutely be protected from unauthorized use for the benefit of the creator.

Also, there is nothing redeemable about Trump. Even if you feel that copyright law is somehow fundamentally wrong, the correct position can actually be "fuck all parties involved" instead of supporting Trump hawking his swag to pay for his campaign of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I really wish copyright was still how it was in the U.S. for more than the first half of the 20th century: 19 years with an option to renew for another 19 years. That, IMO, is long enough for any entity to be the sole earner from a work.

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[–] stonerboner 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ummm… no. Copyright law sucks, but it’s really the only protection for artists/writers/etc. in this case, Trump sucks way worse than copyright law lmao.

He’s literally stealing someone’s work and attempting to make money off it as his own.

Yet you say “Go Trump.” Copyright law is all it takes for you to publicly support a fascist. Absolutely amazing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sadly, copyright doesn’t even truly protect this artist, it protects the corporation that the artist works for. And THAT is one massive reason why copyright is bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Without copyright, the artist would be unemployed. Because the corporation he now works for could just take his photos without paying him.

Copyright protects his livelihood. And THAT is one massive reason why copyright is necessary.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yet you say “Go Trump.” Copyright law is all it takes for you to publicly support a fascist. Absolutely amazing.

Yep, his watch completely erased any wrong he did and now I am full-on maga train. Isn't it so great that things are so simple ? You could say white and black :)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Your priorities are fucked if you are able to even type those two words next to each other.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah I guess I am.

I also support Ukraine so that makes me Nazi. And Palestine too so i am antisemite....

Edit; I also like killing unborn babies

I am very fucked up ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Supporting Trump in any way makes someone more of a Nazi than supporting Ukraine ever would.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

No. Just the Trump thing. Conflating that with anything else you said is a very weird bit of normalization for the former.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Your priorities are fucked if you are able to even type those two words ["Go" and "Trump"] next to each other.

"Go Trump yourself"

"Go Trump to hell"

"Go Trump off a bridge"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I disagree with you, but wanted to be unlike the other comments. I, too, hate copyright, but in this case I'd say Trump deserves to lose, just cause he's a cunt, and winning this will do basically nothing for anyone except him.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You’re letting your hatred corrupt your integrity. How is that no obvious to you here?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

ITT: people that have been stealing or paying for creative work through selling their data for so long they forgot (or never knew) laws about this exist and/or how they work.

Considering how many people think they're just one boring stream of them playing a video game away from making it big as a "content creator," it's petty shocking.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (6 children)

It looks like it's a re-drawn image and not an actual "copy" of the image, so wouldn't that mean they can't do fuck all about it? Obviously it was made to look like the image, but does that actually count for anything? I wouldn't think it would.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So, what about the political ad signs it's being used on? Is that legal? I saw them all over the place.

[–] Cuberoot 10 points 5 months ago

Political speech has stronger 1A protection than commercial speech and one could argue for a 'fair use' exemption. Strong enough to win on its merits? I don't know -- I'm not an IP lawyer, probably not. Strong enough that a well-funded legal team could get a federal judge, hesitant to make a ruling certain to be criticized as 'election interference,' to delay a decision until after the election when the signs are all being taken down anyway? I think so.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The font/script they chose makes it look like it reads "anus dumper" in cursive.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Do you mean Trump's signature?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

200m is how far you can walk before the watch falls apart.

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