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[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Democrats continuing to blame everyone but themselves, as usual.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (28 children)

The Democrats could have run a turd as a candidate with the slogan "it'll be a shit show" and I'd still have voted for them with no regrets, because I understand that fascism is an existential threat. If the Democrats are to blame in any way, it's because they didn't try to get people to understand that OH WAIT THEY DID.

Should the Democrats have run a better candidate and a better campaign? Obviously yes. Is it their fault that voters were willing to let a fascist win? Not even a little.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Guess what, not everyone thinks that, and a good politician would actually promise to improve people's lives instead of continually talking about how bad the other guy is.

Trotting out the least popular Republicans ever as being on your side didn't help either.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (10 children)

not everyone thinks that

Yes, obviously not everyone thinks fascism is an existential threat. Which is probably one of our greatest failures as a society, in terms of education.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So, when you're running, ostensibly to save democracy, you should probably offer those voters stuff that will turn them out. In 2020 Biden promised them a $2000 check, and that worked (even though he reneged on it afterwards).

The only ones to blame are the Democrats. Trump got less votes than in 2020, so it's not like he got more popular, the Democrats failed to get their base out. You can't even blame the Greens this time.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That democrats weren't even willing to budge on their support for genocide means that they don't actually mind fascism. They can scream on and on about how dangerous trump is, but when they're kissing dick cheney's ass and trying to court other such "moderate" fascists, then they're just full of shit. So yes, it is largely the fault of democrats, who are the only other viable party in the country, for not fighting fascism. They set themselves up as the only solution and then failed to get the votes. Reminder that this is the same party boosting the campaigns of far-right candidates just so they can point at how crazy their opponents are. All they're accomplishing is helping out the fascist cause, which again, democrats don't seem to mind based on their actions.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Prepare to lose again 2028 with this attitude.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m over pointing fingers and playing holy than thou.

The people who plan to build a Hungarian-style autocratic government are in power now, and they’re hoping the left is exhausted and tired of fighting this shit for a decade.

This shit is going to be dangerous, and we’re going to have to motivate people to push back hard than even. Pointing fingers just divides us and makes us even weaker.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (17 children)

That's a bummer because progressives couldn't be bothered to stop an erasure of minorities and lgbt alongside a subjugation of women.

Quite simply, either you align with them or you can get fucked.

At least that's how it's currently playing out.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Libs couldn't bother to stop a genocide to stop a fascist

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who said Lefts didn't vote for Harris?

Are you manufacturing this? Where are the exit polls?

Might a better reason for why Fascism won with this election be that Democrats, including Biden, Harris, the DNC, and the consulting class, failed to campaign to their own base, and even more than their base since most Americans, Dems and Reps, approve of progressive policies?

Projection man

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Biden got ~81m votes in 2020, Harris only got ~67m. >14m fewer people voted for her.

Trump also dropped by ~2m, only getting ~72m this time around vs. ~74m in 2020.

Trump didn’t win because of a giant right-wing national shift, he won because of voter apathy on the left.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Leftist here. I voted for Kamala. All the leftist media I consumed argued for voting for Kamala. All the leftists I knew vote for Kamala.

What are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Leftists are so insignificant that we don't need to make any concessions to them but so powerful that they are responsible for any Democratic loss.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (16 children)

There were a few people on the left (with followings on social media) advocating for third party votes because Kamala wouldn’t say that she was going to stop sending money to Israel.

Post election, it looks like third party votes didn’t spoil anything.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The DNC would rather lose with a neoliberal than win with a progressive. If they want to get there shit together they have to win with the working class and ordinary people.

They can't be elitist centrists. They'll lose every election if they do. The future is now old man

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

The left didn't vote against fascism, but also the center didn't. And the right, obviously.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (12 children)

It was Fascism vs. Fascism Lite

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Democrats aren't great. At all. But to call them fascists is just ridiculous. They're just liberal capitalists.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Shit like this is why Trump won.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I voted.

But something like 16 million fewer Americans voted this year compared to 2020. That's an insanely large number of people who simply didn't vote.

Thats why Trump won.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's asshats like you that put us here, congrats!

BluE MaGa amiright?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Don't get mad at me. It's not my fault the Democratic Party ignored a good portion of the country to pick up a handful of disaffected conservatives instead of courting any sort of progressive base. Which rightly blew up in their faces and helped make Harris deeply unpopular candidate to many.

Fucking Dick Cheney endorsed Harris. That easily pushed more left leaning people away from Harris. Dick Cheney, the guy who pushed the US to invade Iraq to get those pesky WMD's... And we're still dealing with the fallout of that decision.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

You obviously don't understand what fascism is. I recommend Umberto Eco's essay "Ur-Fascism"as a good primer. Maybe read that before you make anymore ignorant comments like this one.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I did my job. The democrats had one job too, and they failed.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They share the blame, certainly, especially in depressing left-leaning turnout, but I think it was largely 'swing voter' twats sitting it out.

Suppose we'll find out when more detailed analysis of this utter fuck-up and handing the keys to one of the most powerful countries in the world to fascists is available.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Blaming the people instead of the wet rag they ran.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Dems running a wet rag is a significant failing and they share the blame for fascism coming into power.

At the same time, that in no way excuses the thought process of any voter who sat by and said, "I don't like the wet rag. Let's go with fascism instead!"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Keep projecting this nonsense onto people you clearly do not understand and see if it gets better. Maybe 2028 will be different.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

"Stop calling me out for choosing fascism over the wet rag."

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This may come as a surprise to you, but yes, in a democracy the people are to blame for who gets elected.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

In a functional democracy, the candidates would run on things people want. Instead, both parties cater to what the elites want.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is whether they pay lip service to these policies or not (then Democrats find a way to not pass whatever that policy is, whether it's with a rotating villain, the parliamentarian, keeping the filibuster, etc).

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Too radical"

"Not radical enough"

"Trump Lite"

"Didn't care about Trump voters"

"Another predicable establishment candidate"

"We didn't know her"

"All she said was she not the other guy"

"Didn't expose Trump enough"

"Joy bullshit! Where are the serious policies?"

"Elections are about feelings and she didn't have appeal"

"Supports the Gaza genocide"

"Didn't inspire pro-Israel voters"

"Failed border czar"

"Blue MAGA"

Everyone seems to think they know why Harris lost, and it's always "didn't do enough of what I like". It's boring and unhelpful.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Fascism is always a populist movement, by the time it's on the ballot it's already too late.

The so called left created the conditions for Trump by being the lesser evil instead of being better.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Fuck that noise. Victim blaming bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Those poow wittle democwats and their multi billion dollar super PACS...victims of the intolerant left! /s

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Yeah... the dems are the victims, sure. /s

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

Lmao lib shit tally:

Bullshit corporate media reference, check. Blaming the minority for the failure of the party, check Believing politics happens once every four years, check.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

I'm doing my part! I'm yelling at leftists on the internet!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I did my part. I voted third party because BOTH PARTIES SUPPORT A FASCIST REGIME COMMITTING GENOCIDE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS WHILE OUR OWN PEOPLE GO HOMELESS

Cry about it libs! I bet going further right and further ignoring your base will win in 2028! Might as well run Liz Cheney while you’re at it!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yep, that's why I used my totally meaningless non-swingstate vote for Cornel West.

The libs aren't actually mad about how people voted because the vast majority of votes don't matter. They're mad about the thought crime. They're mad about being exposed as politicians without principles who aren't even good politicians. They're mad that people don't like their dear leader. Libs like to see themselves are genoius thought leaders of some grand nation instead of just capitalist shills enabling fascism.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

There's some non-zero number of voters who planned to vote for Biden, couldn't find his name on the ballot, and subsequently filled in the only other name of a President they saw.

"Yeah, he did the job before, he's got experience..."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe the left didn't vote because there was only right wing parties to vote from.

Extremely right wing - Republican

Slightly centre right - Democrats

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