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[–] [email protected] 189 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Immigrant workers in the US are the definition of essential workers. Many work hard agricultural jobs and take exploitatively low wages to do so.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They'll be "detained" in for profit prisons and then under the federal prisoner labor program they'll get paid 10 cents an hour to do the same work. The detention will end up becoming indefinite and private corps will reap the profits of modern-day slavery on a bigger scale than they already do from our (disproportionately) large incarcerated population.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And Californian’s rejected a ballot measure to make this illegal, so they’re getting what they wanted.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Absolutely insane this measure was rejected

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s ok. Once DOGE kills the economy, everybody will be eager to trim trees and drive Uber and deliver DoorDash. Except there won’t be anyone able to pay them to do that.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Nonsense, the FREE MARKET will provide. The FREE MARKET loves us and wants to protect us from the mean old world.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The FREE MARKET that bans all freedom by placing Tariffs against other countries to control the market and banning the production of products such as lab grown meats before they come to market and car sales from manufacturers to consumers without having middle men. (Those 2 are just Florida examples).

We want the enslaved market

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Yep, the FREE MARKET working as the founding fathers intended...

[–] [email protected] 168 points 4 months ago (4 children)

What are you talking about? Pedro is the exception, the one good guy. They won't deport him, I need him! They can't do that to me, can they?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

He's a good hombre.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. It’s one of those things it is easy to talk about, “the Jewish race is being exterminated,” says one party member, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program, elimination of the Jews, and we’re doing it, exterminating them.” And then they come, 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are vermin, but this one is an A-1 Jew.

-Heinrich Himmler to senior SS officers, 1943.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

replace "jews" with "palestinians" and it reads like Isralei leadership's statements now.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-ministers-call-erase-palestinian-village-an-incitement-violence-us-says-2023-03-01/ "Asked about a weekend settler rampage through the Palestinian village of Huwara, which an Israeli general on Tuesday described as a "pogrom," Smotrich said: "I think that Huwara needs to be erased"."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/smotrich-gaza-annihilation "In just the latest example of a top Israeli official openly calling for the elimination of Gaza and the 2.3 million Palestinians who live there, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Tuesday demanded the destruction of cities and refugee camps in the blockaded enclave.

"There are no half measures," said Smotrich at a government meeting. "Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat—total annihilation."

"'You will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven,'" he added, quoting the biblical story of the nation of Amalek, whose people God commanded the Israelites to exterminate and which right-wing Israeli leaders have long invoked to justify the killing of Palestinians."

https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/starving-2m-palestinians-to-death-justified-far-right-israeli-min "Starving 2M Palestinians to death justified: Far-right Israeli minister"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

"Mommy, why did we send Jesus to a concentration camp?"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

They claim to love Jesus, so maybe they will spare him.

[–] [email protected] 116 points 4 months ago (11 children)

“Our nation is a nation of immigrants. More than any other country, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and our capacity to welcome those from other lands." -Ronald Reagan

It's ridiculous how far right the USA has moved when it comes to immigration. Reagan was a scumbag overall but was right about this. Frankly it pisses me off that even the Democrats are so far right on this.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Of course Reagan meant [white] immigrants.

It's ridiculous how far right the USA has moved when it comes to immigration.

Agreed, and I think maybe we should remove the plaque from the Statue of Liberty as it clearly no longer applies.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Reagan was an idiot about a lot of things. His policies were often at odds with his rhetoric which was quite progressive for its time and place. If you listened to him though, he was not openly hostile to immigration. Neither him nor H.W. where on the scale of today's right.

https://youtu.be/YsmgPp_nlok?si=D5c5Bm5HRG1uw4jC

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Dems, Rebubs as individuals aren't really anything other than drones that follow orders on what to think and what to get angry about. It's a systemic issue where money is injected into the fringes to piss the other side off and force a defensive posture and eventually conflict from fear.

Every idea that categorizes into left/right needs to be challenged at this point.
The left will never prevail
The right will never prevail

We must recognize and respond to what is really happening.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As someone who has a lot of contact with the right, the conflating of illegal immigration with our past and present as a nation of immigrants is the point of the wedge and why this is so effective. Many conservatives I know are fully in support of legal immigration, and even expanding legal immigration as long as it is not done at the expense of existing Americans like with H1B slaves many tech companies want to import.

The left then paints them as racist for it, saying it is xenophobia and not support for rule of law and protections for vulnerable Americans. Many grew up taking a job cleaning bus station toilets and other jobs to make ends meet or get back on their feet that the left now says "Americans don't want", proving no actual jobs are lost. They, rightly or wrongly, see this as the lowest skilled Americans having jobs stolen from them, and see "Americans don't want these jobs" as "Americans don't want these jobs for that pay" pushing wages down using illegal immigrant labor.

The left enjoys telling business that if they can't afford to pay a living wage for their lowest paid jobs then they don't deserve to be in business, while at the same time decrying the cost increases to food and janitorial if those industries had to pay non-migrant workers enough to do those jobs. It is an easily exploitable hypocrisy that even allowed Brexit to happen.

It allows the Fox News crowd to be swindled more easily, and it allows actual racists to get away with more because the conservative masses can't hear the dog whistles, which is the point of dog whistles.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Many conservatives I know are fully in support of legal immigration

Then why do they oppose it? That's a contradiction. They oppose asylum seekers which is legal immigration. They oppose and make up fake news controversies about legal Haitian immigrants saying they are "eating the dogs." The actively want to make it harder to come into the country legally. Even for illegal immigrants, if we create a path to citizenship they would be legal, but they don't want that, they want to kick them out. The legal status of them thus does not matter to them, it's not their primary concern, they just want to get the immigrants out.

You need to explain to me how opposing legal immigration = supporting legal immigration. Resolve that contradiction for me.

The left enjoys telling business that if they can’t afford to pay a living wage for their lowest paid jobs then they don’t deserve to be in business, while at the same time decrying the cost increases to food and janitorial if those industries had to pay non-migrant workers enough to do those jobs.

There is only a "contradiction" because you are an extremist dogmatist who insists we should all fall on our knees and worship the free market like it's a god. Whatever the market says goes! Humans be damned! How dare you question the glory of the market??

No, there is no contradiction here because we can pay people a living wage and bring down price gouging. Your issue is because of the fact you are an extremist dogmatist who treats free markets like a religion where it is blasphemy to question anything private corporations do, you act like price gouging is just a fact of nature, like a natural disaster, something that can't be helped because it's just the will of all mighty market which we cannot question.

Again, no, some of us aren't religious zealots for free markets. We recognize that we can demand workers have higher pay and companies stop price gouging at the same time and there is no contradiction here. You can't wrap your brain around this because you think private corporations are equivalent to deities which we are not allowed to question, so if workers are paid higher and the corporations choose to offset this by raising prices, oh well, there's nothing we can do, you can't question the decisions of the great mighty oligarchs, whom we must fall to our knees and worship!

Yes we can. Grow a fucking spine you cuckhold.

“Americans don’t want these jobs for that pay” pushing wages down using illegal immigrant labor.

Aren't conservatives the ones who say "guns don't kill people, people kill people?" Yet somehow this agency disappears when it comes to wages being lowered. Wages are lowered on their own, again, like a natural disaster, the free market is just something we cannot question and we have to accept whatever it throws at us. No, people lower wages. It is an active decision by private enterprises, the people who run them have human agency which you continue to pretend does not exist because you are a complete dogmatist who wants people to bow before them like gods. It is those people, human beings with agency who push down wages. Wages don't just magically go down on their own whenever your country has immigration.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would ordinarily love to discuss several of your points as you seemed to request, chiefly surrounding legal immigration, asylum, labor pools, and the painting of all "conservatives" as a monolithic bloc that all personally believe what the worst parts of the Republican party espouse, but I can tell by the vitriol, name calling, and disparaging assignment of who you decided I am for pointing out my own observations of others motivations that this will be pointless. I hope you have a better day going forward.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

"The worst parts" is literally the Republican party's major platform that they put front and center and is literally what they campaigned on? What on earth are you on about?

What's there to even "debate"? You can't change the mind of an extremist dogmatist. You cannot begin the discussion with wild claims about we aren't ever allowed to question any decision a private enterprise ever makes then honestly be like, "I just want a serious discussion 🥲." No, you don't, you come here to just preach your religious ideology, and you're upset some people don't mindlessly accept it without question.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They are all just people. I don't care if illegal immigrants take my jobs (even though that isn't actually happening, it's fear mongering)

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 months ago

I doubt they would’ve even taken the sign off the lawn.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

So fucking true

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I work with a ton of immigrants and some I have known for for 20 years. The thought of losing them is just painful.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

See, your problem is thinking they are humans. You should be treating them like immigrants instead.

/s

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

This needs to be a series.

Next is with one of them holding an "Abortion is murder" sign while the other says, let them finish my procedure first, it's medically necessary.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do not use a chainsaw like that. yikes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

thankyou.gif

The artist obviously haven't used a chainsaw. That guy is about to get a face full of knocked backed chainsaw, let's hope the brake works.

Edit: I just noticed how his feet are positioned. WTF? both feet flat on the ground! Is he walking beneath the branch he's cutting? Gah!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I thought the reason trump won was the Hispanic support. That was what was so strange about this election.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

It's not any more strange than literally any republican voting to shoot themselves in the foot. Nobody benefits from it. Not even the rich! It just feeds their money addiction like a drug dealer feeds a junkie.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Yup. But just remember that everyone, possibly including the native nations are all immigrants. Now the native nations were here first so obviously they should call the shots.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

No. The reason he won was because of apathy and despair.

If "Did Not Vote" was a candidate in 2024:

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I think the bigger reason Trump won is a bunch of people didn't feel like it was worth voting. And now they will find out why that was a bad move.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Definetly no cheating...

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't mind a sequel to the movie Day Without A Mexican

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

The sequel is called "All year round with slaves".

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Yup. You guys have got it nailed down! It's the "backwoods country hicks" (you know, the people you constantly blame for everything) that hire illegal immigrants to maintain their pristine manicured suburban lawns.

Totally not the city suburbanites that the Harris campaign said would be their path to victory. Totally not the people who simp for their HOAs. Totally not the people who are just too darn important in their own careers to sink low enough to do their own lawn maintenance (they have to save their soft pillowy hands for their keyboards!) Not them at all!

It's those darn "country bumpkins" that hire illegals to mow their lawns!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

What about that comic implies any of that you nut job?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean, I'm in a Florida neighborhood with a lot of retirees where this is not a parody at all.

You are right about manicured lawns being a colossal waste, but all the Republicans around here sure seem to love it, even with the swampy climate doing its absolute best to turn it wild again.

Big houses and lawns make people miserable when they have to care for it themselves, assuming they are physically capable of doing that at all. Frankly people need to stop hoarding so much junk and being so OCD, but Trump's immigration policy does little to solve that and Harris wasn't going to move the needle much either.

In other words, HOAs and culture may real villains in this comic, but you are falsely associating them with harris suburbanites.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

The people in that comic don't look like bumpkins and they don't look like they're in the country either.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I don't see how this follows from the comic.. which was one single panel, by the way. It's okay if it made you feel uncomfortable.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Yeah go ahead shoot your own foot off dude. Sooner the better.

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