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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (1 children)

if they claim a 15lb Turkey feeds 12, how am I supposed trust any of the other numbers?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or how 1 GW/(200 W/person) came up with a number that started with a 3 instead of a 5. Like 5 million people, not 30 million.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

But it only takes 3.5 hours per turkey and a day has 24 of them. So if some people get up at 3am it works out!

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Can we also talk about the way they chose to manipulate the perception of the data by their choice of states

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

LOL, it's a reverse population map. Works on the stupid because "lots of orange!"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

There are states with populations higher than 30 million. Like yea that's a lot of people, but the cherry picking of states is annoying

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I thought this was going to be about how many turkeys you could cook directly using the reactor heat

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Be about 3x that number. Reactors are about 33-40% efficient. So a 1000 MW electric plant is running at 3000 MW thermal. Would be relatively easy too. Just a gigantic steam heated oven. So 7.5 million turkeys, enough to feed 90 million people or about a quarter of the US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I doubt an oven needs 2400W continuous to keep at temperature. Also a single large oven will be far more efficient than 7.5 million separate ovens.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Glad to know I'm not the only one!

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Rookie Numbers. It only uses electrical power generated. Why not cook turkeys in heat destined for cooling towers ? Gotta push those numbers way up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Or just toss all the turkeys into the reactor

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Restricted sous-vide basin

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Turkey control rods

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The fun part of this is this is true of any 1GW power source. We have been deploying solar+battery arrays in that range recently for much less money and much faster than nuclear.

Thanks "Office of nuclear energy" for pointing out how useful large scale solar+battery is too!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (10 children)

I really don't get this ackshually business about nuclear power, we're absolute idiots to not employ it more. Everywhere there's been a focus on nuclear power generation we're seeing reliable results over a long long timespan

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy keeps telling me nuclear power is stupid. I've been screaming for more going on 30-years now. 🤷

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Maybe because we still don't have a solution for the waste which kills people generations after your death?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

We've had multiple solutions for a long time. Name me some people who have been killed by nuclear waste. Other than Chernobyl I bet you can't. How does it feel repeating decades old fossil fuel propaganda?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Can I get some references that compare nuclear waste vs coal, gas, solar, wind waste and emissions?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The problem with nuclear is: business wise, it is a TOUGH sell to the public, even without the anti-nuclear lobby groups fighting with safety propaganda.

It takes a much higher capital spend to start up nuclear than any other type of plant, so you won't "break even" for 30 plus years, if ever.

It doesn't help when there are high profile sites that are being refurbished, whose costs are already phenomenaly high, and then the managing firm fucks it up (I'm looking at you Crystal River).

It makes it high risk, financially. And it's the public that ultimately ends up paying.

My hope is that SMR's become viable. They introduce a new factor though. If you get small, "cheaper" nuclear plants, then you will get more operators and you will get some that may run fast and loose. One fuck up can ruin it for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I can accept the argument that it's safe and effective but the public irrationally won't accept it. Seems to have been a pretty good sell on the other side of the curtain though

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

How is this a meme?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to see this redone using energy instead of power. E.g is 2,400 watts during the initial heatup or when the oven reaches stable temperature? They're not taking into account the time change either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

2400W is typical maximum power for an oven. If you run that continuous you'll have very crispy (black) turkey

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

2.5 Million Turkeys... and 500-1500 cubic meters of impossible to store basically forever radioactive nuclear (LILW) waste😋😋😋

source

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure where they got those numbers.

All nuclear waste produced to date isn't 500-1500 cubic meters.

As to storage. Just bury it again. We dug it up, we can bury it. There are a few places that are currently doing just that.

Or, here a wild idea. Just burn the waste. It's something like 90% unburned fuel, just reprocess it and burn it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Just burn the waste

Wouldn't that like... eradiate our whole fucking atmosphere? O.o

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The source for that number is the International Atomic Energy Agency aka the nuclear control agency. As for the rest of your ideas, its sadly not that easy. It has to be stored somewhere where it cant contaminate the environment, water cant get to it, tectonics are stable, etc. No permanent storage location for the waste has been found, to date.

And to burn the unburned fuel you would have to breed the material, which is a process that requires the most dangerous reactors and is extremely costly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah, what about the waste, gonna eat that with your Turkey?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Wow, didn't realize how anti-nuclear Lemmy is after looking at this comment thread.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Common on contrarian and alternative platform as this particular topic has been seeded by russia psyops against russian oil alternative.

This is why germany shut down all its reactors and went back to burning lignite coal when nordstream was blown up by a ln Ukrainian triggerman.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit 6 points 3 months ago

IIRC Germany shut down their reactors because of Fukushima and the disaster there, not because of psyops.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Now calculate how many generations of turkeys will be eaten till the waste stops killing people

Edit: can't believe how many people here are falling for nuclear. Have you all learned nothing from what companies did with fossil fuels? Taking the profits and leaving humanity with a fucked up world? And now you are falling for the same stuff with nuclear again, I assume this is the discourse in america which is so scewed? Here in Europe people are not that naive... Even the ones in France, which is quite into nuclear are reasonable and see the waste problem normally.

And here on Lemmy people really come and say "nuclear waste isn't dangerous, it didn't kill anyone"

Wtf people?!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How many people has all the waste we've produced kill up to now?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll

Quite a few (if you remember not even a fraction oft its life time is over by now)

Also: radiation doesn't kill right away. Often you live 10 more years with weird symptoms and die from something like heart attack, so your death isn't counted as "caused by radiation exposure" but as "died from cancer" or "heart attack"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Yes, radiation can kill people decades later, but so does pollution from burning fossil fuel. BTW, your link talks about nuclear accidents, not the number of people killed by nuclear wastes produced normally, which is what you claimed is killing people. A bit of a misdirection on your part, isn't it?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If people didn't all turn their oven on at the same time but took more of a staggered approach this would supply a lot more people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

No, it's already wrong even for realistic staggered dinners.

I think they are using an arbitrary GW-day of energy instead of power, so it can't even come close to making as much turkey as claimed.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

With Vogtle expansion costing over $15B per gw, that is $6000+ per fed person, before counting the cost of importing uranium from Russia.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also without storing the nuclear waste.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

or security costs, including the promised good time of civil war that get's floated around.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

in a country where half of the presidents cant even pronounce nukular....and the only usecase for nukular is make some machines like openAI work cheaper. go eat the nukular waste george.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

If you cook me a 15lb turkey in 3 1/2 hours that burnt dry shit is going in the trash.

  • Dude standing by a smoker with 10 lbs of pork ribs for the past 4 hours
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