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[-] [email protected] 135 points 7 months ago

Every time they get education, they keep moving to the left! 😭😭😭

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Doesn't everybody?

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[-] [email protected] 81 points 7 months ago

It costs money, has long term effects, and helps people so that’s a no go.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

It's not even that. It makes people less blindly compliant to authority, and that's absolutely unacceptable to Republicans.

[-] [email protected] 75 points 7 months ago

An educated citizenry is required for a well functioning democracy that benefits that citizenry. That is not in the interest of republican politicians and their benefactors.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Let's not act as if Republicans are the only ones doing this mate.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago

Did Democrats start pushing to defund public schools and offer "vouchers"? I must have missed that.

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[-] [email protected] 69 points 7 months ago

We can't hire Americans **because they expect to be paid properly

[-] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago

Also the beauty of H1B visa people is that because they have to leave the country (or find another job) in 30 days in the even that they get fired, it means they are perfect for assholes like that billionaire. "Agree to do this or go back to that shit hole"

[-] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

I sort of remember for Trump’s first term, one of his campaign promises was to set a salary minimum for H1B workers. Out of a thoroughly insane agenda, that was the one policy I liked, because it returned that program to its intent - hiring specialized experts that can’t be found here.

Of course, he didn’t follow through and do it.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

It's the government's job to educate the masses! But not like that! And not with my money!

[-] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They want what's best for them, not what's best for us. Cheap, loyal labor from countries worse, off than ours is ideal.

Let the Americans eat paste.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

if you need a school you've already lost (Elon Musk)

Yet he's the richest man on Earth.

He'a the best argument against capitalism as a meritocratic system.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

And we hate immigrants, but we need all these H1B visas because we don’t want to educate our own citizens to do the jobs that support the middle class. Then we will scapegoat those people and accuse them of being the problem.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

That’s because the money goes into billionaire’s pockets instead, who would rather just import dirt cheap labor and face less wage pressure.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

If only they knew what the E in DEI stood for.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

That would assume two things... and both of those require education. As trump famously said last goddamn time... he loves the uneducated.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

votes for the Republican anyways

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

To be fair, the MAGA crowd does not want to take the required schooling for those jobs. What can you do...

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Although I agree with the sentiment of this meme it has one thing wrong.

Americans aren’t interested in getting educated. At least not in the subjects that are relevant.

Americans prefer going to school for fun and majoring in stuff like business administration and communications, or the plethora of other majors that are fully saturated with people.

STEM majors and jobs scare most Americans away and this is a problem. There are also a ton of high paying labor jobs in America but the majority of Americans want nothing to do with labor and would rather have an office job.

Look I am not saying billionaires are right, because they aren’t. Fuck them. However youngsters today growing up need to be more involved in understanding how the labor market works and become educated in the skills that actually matter. It isn’t so much a lack of education. It’s there, it’s just that most people aren’t interested in being educated in the right skills.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I got a computer science degree because I got into computers as a kid and I was good with them. When I apply for a job it feels like like I'm competing with half the planet. It took 2 years to get the current job I have at an MSP and I've been applying for new jobs for a year now. I can count the times I've been contacted by recruiters over the past year on one hand. There's plenty more in my boat. If we'd known we probably would have had a different major.

I did labor before landing a job with an MSP by the way. I'm in my early 30s with back, neck, and hand problems now and pain that radiates into my hips and legs. You don't get out of labor jobs unscathed.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

IT is a weirdly hard field to break into these days, and climbing the ladder can be difficult as employers generally don't want to take a risk on someone who hasn't worked in helpdesk/sysadmin/security/etc. before. Once you get your first role with the job title you want it's 20 times easier to get your second one.

The job market also sucks right now. 1-3 years ago it was amazing and I landed interviews I should not have landed simply because places couldn't get candidates, but now I've been laid off and spent 3 months and about 40 applications and ultimately took the first offer I got (it was also the second place to call me to interview)

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Computer science is a massive world. It’s true that even the computer world is saturated. All of India is competing with you. But keep in mind those are commodity roles that are easy to outsource and fill. There are plenty of roles like cyber security and many others that they can’t or won’t outsource. You may just be in the wrong sector.

As for labor jobs I get it. They suck. But the world needs laborers and LOTS of them pay very very well.

So many republicans complain immigrants are stealing our jobs except these are all labor jobs that Americans don’t want, and now they want to kick them out of the country so no one is doing those jobs at all.

I really don’t know what else to tell people. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. People are quick to blame billionaires and while they are right to do so they are only just one of the many variables at play.

The biggest variable at play is that Americans aren’t aligning to the job market.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

There's a surplus of STEM labor. It's the trades which are short.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I agree with the general sentiment that STEM scares a lot of Americans.

When I would tell other young women I was an engineering major, I would often hear a similar refrain - "Oh, I could never do that!" And it drove me insane! I am not magically gifted at mental math, I can't do differential equations in my head. And most engineers I know, whether American or foreign, can't do those things either.

A lot of engineering isn't about being freakishly gifted like Elon Musk pretends. It takes gradual development of skills toward an end goal. First, you have to nail down the tools for the work (math, physics, chemistry), then you get to apply those tools to real-world problems. Engineering is problem solving, making mistakes, and being curious enough to keep going.

In short, engineering is about the long game. And didn't become rewarding until around year 3 for me. I took some other classes in subjects to entertain myself and fill my schedule. In the disciplines of archeology, art history, and archetecture. And I called them my sanity classes. They were immediately satisfying, and made me feel like I was learning and not struggling or making those mistakes I made in engineering classes. I think most students enjoy the satisfaction of classes like that. The learning seems more instantaneous and less like a step on a ladder.

Sorry for the diatribe. In short, if you happen to read this as a young person and have the opportunity to study engineering - do it. Try not to go into debt for it, but don't feel excluded because you aren't the best at long division.

As for Musk, I've spoken with a few engineers who worked at his various companies. Everyone has left for other companies because he is a nightmare to work for. Yes, there are gifted engineers from other countries, but Musk wants employees that are tied to him and will work the slavish hours to earn a better life for the next generation of their families. A lot of American engineers are not willing to ignore their families like Musk himself clearly does. There are plenty of other space companies that pay well and aren't run by sociopaths.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

I don't think there's is a STEM worker shortage. IIRC, there have been something like 300k tech layoffs in the last couple years. Actual scientists and mathmeticians are extremely underpaid, but a lot of people like doing it, which is one of the reasons "citizen science" is becoming popular.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

The continuation of the piss poor US income distribution and 3rd World working conditions.

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