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Just saw this on AskLemmy at .ml, thought this and chuckled, and now here we are.

Will take the opportunity to thank our admins for what they do, and all you humans for being here and generally being cool.

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[–] frankenswine@lemmy.world 86 points 2 months ago

more like #4 considering the hexbear duplicate

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did hexbear go through mitosis?

(Or are they going through mitosis like how USSR did in 1991? 🀣)

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good spot. I also want to know, but I fear the backstory...

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

It's the same one, not sure why it's reported twice.

That orb they have a puppet instance the same way ask their users have puppet accounts.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm surprised lemmy.ml isn't on there, it seems really big from my limited experience.

[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

No really, .ml isn't even in top 10? Did they opt-out from these statistics or are they that small?

https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

Edit: well I guess they really are that small. But total posts they have at 147k, what is going on here?

https://fedidb.org/network/instance/lemmy.ml

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Nothing4You@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago

based on the creation date advertised by the instance, lemmy.ml exists since 2019-04-20. lemmy.world exists since 2023-06-01.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Huh, you're right. In fairness this is cropped from an image shared on the AskLemmy .ml thread, so I'm not 100% sure what's going on there. Edit: Image is legit. Weird...

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

They're just loud. Like a terrier.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 35 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Personally I would go with Monthly Active Users, e.g. since Hexbear has managed to run off a good fraction of its users over time (which lemmy.world is in the process of doing as well).

screenshot

This puts sh.itjust.works as #4, which it's been for a good long while, above Lemmy.ml and Hexbear and nearly all other instances.

Link, but the URL does not preserve the options shown, so you have to resort by Monthly Active Users.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Man, I just wanted to chant "We're #5", now I have people coming at me with facts. :p

(Jokes aside, I appreciate it. There's nuance to these metrics and what best accounts for 'size', particularly for those cases/services where the metrics reflect a little bugginess anyway)

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think when we yell "five", there should be a spirited booty shake.

[–] ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

🎢🎀🎢Errybody get yer shit onna dancefloor! Now work it. Just work it. Errybody getcher shit n work it🎢

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

🎀Wanna drive a lamborghini? Drink martinis? You betta work bitch🎀

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See, everyone is coming in and talking about different means of measuring instances, the implications for the fediverse and the position of federated services against corporate monoliths like reddit.

But you, verity - you get it.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 5 points 2 months ago

Well, now you are on a firm basis to chant being #4!? 😜

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

(which lemmy.world is in the process of doing as well)

I'm one of them. Luigi censoring was the catalyst. I came to Lemmy to get away from corporate censorship. It also doesn't help that it's slow as fuck on desktop compared to the others I tried.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm surprised to hear about the slowness issue - I think this is the first time that I have, though I am definitely spoiled at Discuss.Online that has such a great technical admin (he also is the one who was developing Sublinks, before life and a baby intervened:-). Is lemm.ee much faster than lemmy.world for you?

Tbf there is legit fear in the USA that Trump will start to place bans or at least watchlists on social media outlets that Musk does not make money off of. Then again, I thought that LW wasn't really associated with the USA in any way besides having a bunch of users from it, and anyway you have found a perfect solution to the problem - if they don't want it, go somewhere else that does allow what you need.:-)

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Is lemm.ee much faster than lemmy.world for you?

Yes, MUCH. Sh.itjust.works is much faster as well. I don't know if it's because LW is still on 0.19.3 or what, but it's a very significant difference.

LW isn't associated with the US except for the fact that they're keen to kowtow to corporate censorship to avoid being sued and the like. Since they're by far the most visible instance on Lemmy I can't really blame them and it's probably better that they're more cautious to possibly take some of the heat off of everyone else. As you said, they didn't serve my needs, so I went elsewhere - having that option is what I love about the fediverse.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

sh.itjust.works is at #4 by total posts as well, since hexbear was counted twice in the OP.

It's both amusing and unsurprising that lemmynsfw is second though

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Wouldn't total posts bias towards older instances though, counting posts over time rather than activity today? So then good point that sh.itjust.works is so high up by both metrics:-).

While lemmy.ml continues to fall - by active users I think I recall it was #3 at some point, then #4, while now it's #5, where based on the gap below it, it seems likely to remain since users are now more distributed than previously (which is a good thing!:-).

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[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

dang I did not expect .ee to be on top behind .nsfw

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you exclude blocked instances, you're a lot higher than #5...

Yeah, we're pretty much #2, which seems thematically appropriate :)

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 months ago

Hexbear is counted twice, so you're actually #4.

This image is a bit disheartening, ngl

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 18 points 2 months ago

*#4, hexbear (ew) is on there twice.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

im still relatively new to lemmy and am crossposting or whatever the term is , from lemmy.world but its mind boggling that the tankie sect is as big as it is on here.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They really aren't, 4k monthly active users out of 43k

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Blaze@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your instance defederates from hexbear and grad already. You can choose to block ml in your account settings

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

But then what would they complain about?

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is upsetting as fuck. This one picture just made me realize that Lemmy is likely never going to get much bigger. The top is just an exact clone of Reddit, meaning there's no reason to use it over Reddit, and the next three are active propaganda mills filled with fascists and tankies. After that you get normal servers. That's a terrible look. That guarantees anyone new joining will likely join one of those 4 and will either think "what's the point, this is just Reddit with a percent of the users" or "JFC these people are all Nazis" or worst of all which seems to already be the case "finally, somewhere I can speak freely about those dirty Ukrainians/Palestinians/Americans/Women/LGBTQ/OtherMinorities!"

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It is far worse than that imho, sadly.

For one, we are most definitely actively getting smaller, both since the Rexodus and also since just earlier this year. I think people are returning to Reddit but wherever they are going it is not here. We lack sufficient content for them, despite having the good apps that Reddit used to. This is software built by tankies, and has authoritarian purposes baked into the core.

And for another, a Google search for "Lemmy", after the singer, pulls up as the top instance lemmy.ml, which notably uses a Local rather than All feed by default. So it's just absolutely full of posts hating on the USA, UK, Germany, and anyone else who opposes the interests of Russia and China and North Korea. THIS is what "Lemmy" is, to people who don't use DuckDuckGo as their primary search engine.

It may already be too late to reverse this trend: we lost the momentum of the Rexodus, and we won't even be honest about who and what we are now, which would be a prerequisite for change - we are a Nazi bar.

An example of our authoritarianism is the modding tools here. The fact that we have a modlog at all is awesome, but the fact that it just says "mod" rather than who removed something, while simultaneously offering no modmail to communicate with whoever did it in order to ask why, is not. Also reports don't federate. Lemmy was built by the admins of lemmy.ml, and if we want more of a non-authoritarian experience - e.g. a modmail - it seems we would have to build such ourselves?

Also, on Reddit (at least, prior to the Rexodus, I dunno if it still does today?) when a post is removed the post link remains viable, and people can still have discussions within it. On Lemmy, a capricious mod can remove something entirely. Imagine writing our a long response (such as I've done here:-), only to find after all of that that the post has been removed in the meantime and I can't even respond to the person I was talking to, even if they were not the OP. Nor can I even finish reading through the comments - they are just, poof, gone.

As authoritarian as Huffman made Reddit into, we are so very similar - not at the top, obviously, bc open source makes all the difference, but when it comes down to the actual user experience, e.g. how a Redditor will look at us and judge this place to be, based on how we will treat them (and I haven't even begun here to get into how centrists from the USA will feel in this leftist dominated environment!:-P). We have the seeds to be more, but we won't make the computer code to make that happen.

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[–] UniversalMonk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

This is the best instance in fediverse in my opinion.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does that include the NSFW instances?

[–] Birch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Perhaps the list originally started at 0...

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (13 children)

This is the instance I direct everyone to, it’s been the most reasonable AND least bothersome.

5/7

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Im not seen as a specific subset like if I were to move to blahaj or Midwest (which would be my next two picks). I like being seen as 'just a person'

It, quite literally, just works.

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[–] ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why heckbear 2 times? I am confuzzled

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

They're just that good at posting lol

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm good with my smaller community that is "seven seas friendly" in dbzer0

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[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I imagine feddit.nl is nowhere near the top but I sort of like it that way.

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[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I don't know why, but I expected to see Aussie.zone here since it feels incredibly active to me haha

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[–] drasglaf@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I got here as a kbin.social refugee and I can't say I have any complaints.

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[–] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

All I see is sjw being #2.

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