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The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's gonna be handled are already in the works (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by A_A@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24607393

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@denimaww@lemmy.world

The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's going to be handled are already in the works. This bill, which I link to here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/7/text , seems ok at first glance and only seems to want to implement nationwide healthcare centers for women. But when you actually look at what these Pro Women's Healthcare Centers are and mean to offer, it becomes really clear what's going on.

On the first page of the PDF or booklet that appear when you search for the healthcare centers it is clear that they are supported by pro-life organisations and hold extreme pro-life values. And when you read the (very short) booklet it states their values and services that are to be provided. Among them is a requirement for "Abortion Pill Reversal" and encouragement for "Sterilization Reversal". The last page clearly states their values, where among them it states that:

"Abortion is not women's healthcare, because of the damage it causes to women's physical and emotional health and the destruction of unborn life, many of whom are females. Abortion is usually something women turn to when they feel they do not have another choice. This is a tragedy and the opposite of choice and empowerment."

And it goes on to list similiar values. The bill to implement these healthcare centers states that:

"That the House of Representatives—

(1) expresses its support for women nationwide to have access to comprehensive, convenient, compassionate, life-affirming, high-quality health care; and

(2) recognizes the high standards established by Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers consortium as standards worth implementing nationwide."

This means that the values that these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers have are to be set as standards nationwide.

A link to the PDF/booklet about the Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers (PWHC): https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/PWHC-Booklet.pdf

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[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 146 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Ok states rights crowd, fuck around and find out with my states constitutional protection of abortion.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm really curious how California will handle that one. I would expect Newsom to fall in line as part of the protected class, but he is a politician and cares about reelection.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago (9 children)

If trump tries to fuck around with Canada my state will secede more than likely. Canada will retaliate by shutting off our electric which would be a death sentence in the winter.

That and the abortion rights and the fact we were previously an independent republic, it’s looking like we’re going back to being independent.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago (4 children)

state laws, including their constitutions, mean zip when federal law or the nation's constitution conflicts and takes precedence.

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really true. States can't infringe on rights granted by the constitution but they can add rights. See: infingement of 2A rights by states and legalized cannabis at the state level, respectively. Look at federal drinking age laws. States had lower ages until the feds pressured States by witholding interstate road funding...

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Right we were just hoping for the two braincells to fire and them realizing that it was never about states rights

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Cognitive dissonance doesn't work on those people

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 102 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Pro Women’s Healthcare"

😡😡😡😡😡😡

Fucking propagandists

[–] scarilog@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Something straight out of 1984. When I read the novel in high school I was naive enough to believe it would never be reflected irl to quite this degree.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago (6 children)

The more accurate analogy would be The Handmaiden’s Tale.

Absolutely terrifying. And once the underground railroads fire up to bring women refugees to Canada, I’ll do my part to help.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They aren't really off with 1984. "The ministry of peace" being the department of war and all that. Pro Women's health actually being anti women's health.

It's so gross...

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 96 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You all voted for this shit.

If you stayed home then you voted for this shit.

[–] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think you will be hard pressed to find Republicans on Lemmy. There might be some, but not that many.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago

They didn't get more votes we provided less votes. There are absolutely US citizens on here that did not vote. This was clearly on the table. This is going to hurt, people are going to die, and we need to learn. You simply can't let somebody like that get voted in under those circumstances and then expect to be able to resist.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

And how many democrats stayed home on Election Day?

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I voted for Harris to try to prevent these horrors out of harm reduction.

But the Neoliberals haven't given us anything to vote for for half a century.

Good cop neoliberals with affirmation ribbons/bad cop Fascists with scapegoats, both for human beings dying in the streets for the crime of no longer being able capitalist exploitation livestock in droves as a threat to laborers to produce for their shared donors.

A vote for democrats is a vote for quiet slaughter, a vote for Republicans is a vote for loud, braggadocious slaughter. We don't get a vote for peace. We don't get a vote on the economy. Only the social wedges that don't meaningfully effect quarterly earnings expectations.

Luigi tried showing us who our shared enemy is, and it isn't their revolving door middle managers in DC.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 71 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yes. elections have consequences. republicans haven't been coy about wanted to outlaw abortion nationwide at the federal level. enough democrats didn't vote in the last election (mostly young people for whom these bans will effect the most, and cause the most harm) to ensure republicans now control ever branch of united states government, the legislative (both house of congress), the judicial (doj and the supreme court), and executive (the presidency). that's a clean sweep, and a wide pipe for the monsters to do just about anything they want to. congratulations.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

If only liberals had self reflection to learn why the lost the election in a landslide. Nope. Blame voters!

Edit:

no primary
biden promised to be a one term president and lied, he’s senile and demented
lied about inflation
two new forever wars
funded a genocide
awful covid policy of “let it rip!”
last minute push of no votes Kamala instead of holding a fucking primary to start with
only platform is “we’re not trump”
real platform is “nothing will fundamentally change”
voting third party is not supporting fascism you stupid fucking liberals
continue to refuse to change your stupid ways and continue to lose elections
democrats didn’t do shit to stop fascism because fascism doesn’t threaten capital and they only exist to stop the left
democrats lose on purpose so they can cynically fundraise off it
keep voting blue no matter who and keep fucking losing
blue MAGA be whining crying and carrying on that if you didn’t vote for fascist genocider joe that you’re a fascist! Grow up and read history you fucking babies.
insults voters rather than listens to their concerns
assumes everyone who didn’t vote for biden voted for trump which is logically false
zero class consciousness and everything boils down to losing identity politics
nobody cares that Kamala was black and indian that’s not a reason to vote for or against anyone
nobody cares that the fighter pilot dropping bombs on brown people abroad is a black gay Jewish trans man, we want the bombing to stop!
democrats had fifty fucking years to make roe v Wade law but instead cynically fundraised off it
biden fucked over labor

Keep fucking crying. Never self reflect that it’s YOUR FAULT for not pushing the dems left. Never self reflect that the democrats DID THIS TO THEMSELVES.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 40 points 2 months ago (13 children)

By not voting for the bad option they got the worse option. Congrats I guess to them?

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[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (15 children)

I agree with most of what you said, but voting 3rd party in the general election really is mathematically equivalent to simply not voting.
And it's worse when it's voting 3rd party in place of voting for the least bad of the two electable parties, then (just like not voting) it's mathematically equivalent to voting for the most bad of the two parties.

This is not an opinion. It's how the elections are structured, and I would very much prefer a better structure, but we don't have it and have to work with what we have.

Even in the primaries, voting 3rd party usually simply means being unable to influence the major parties - but in this case you are absolutely correct that the "primaries" were a farce.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It’s also not an opinion, that when people feel like you don’t actually act in their interests, they start voting for others.

Mainstream and centrist democrats do just enough to be less awful than republicans, but that’s not what we need as a country. Biden did just enough to return to the old (and only less awful) status quo.

See people who give a fuck about genocide watching most dems support genocide by Israel.

See people who are smart enough to know this economy actually sucks for the bottom 90%

See people who watched as Biden and his government agencies pissed away four years and failed to hold a fucking insurrectionist to account.

See people watching democrats treat that insirrectionist’s party as if they were somehow reasonable and fair minded people with whom “compromising” is acceptable; and deciding that, no, maybe we shouldn’t vote for people willing to parrot the republican party line on immigration.

I voted Harris, but damn was my nose aching from pinching it closed. At a certain point party leadership needs to pull their heads out their asses and realize the reason voters left is because they keep running to the right. You want more voters? Try running to the left.

Climate resilience. Universal healthcare. Tackle income inequality. Tackle the cause of education debt. Tackle the cause of gun violence and throw in solid, reasonable restrictions on guns. Tackle homelessness with proven strategies. Tackle drug addiction in ways that actually work. Open up immigration and tackle that crisis too.

Like, it ain’t rocket science. (Though we also need to fund that and keep all the patents here and not held exclusively by Chinese companies making bank off our research grants.)

Edit: this is like a store blaming the customers when the customers stop shopping there because the store doesn’t sell what they want.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Voters are literally the ones who elect the government so….

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[–] diverging@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago (17 children)

biden promised to be a one term president and lied, he’s senile and demented

No, he didn't.

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[–] BlueLineBae@midwest.social 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

For anyone that needs this information, you can (currently) order abortion medicine online in any state. I did it today and it was stupid easy to do. I'm not pregnant, but I wanted to order some as a just-in-case for myself or others.

The Plan C website has a great list of websites you can order from if you're not pregnant. It costs about $150 and some offer financial assistance if you need it. But please do it NOW.

I ordered one from Aid access and one from safe choice. Both asked a few questions that didn't ask for personal information or ID. They mostly just need an email, address to send it, and a credit/debit card to pay.

Good luck out there everyone.

Edit: just to clarify I'm not talking about plan B. I'm talking about medication meant to induce an abortion at up to 13 weeks of gestation. mifepristone and misoprostol specifically.

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Do you happen to know the shelf-life of the medicine? Thank you so much for that resource. Likewise, I don’t need it, but I’d like to be a help to others who may find themselves in a difficult situation.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

fact sheet for Plan B One-Step says the medicine expires after four years

Interesting coincidence

https://www.health.com/news/does-plan-b-expire

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Not an answer, but the Army found that pills (non liquid gel caps) were often stable for quite a long time with only minor efficacy loss.

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[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Costco pharmacy near me was selling levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive for $6/dose as of a couple weeks ago.

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[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I drove to a friend to Kansas last year for an abortion. I still don't know if it was mine. Either way if those services weren't available then she would have suffered tremendously by having that baby. As badly as I wanted that baby to be mine it didn't matter in the end because it's her body not mine. It's a simple as that and fuck anyone that wants to take those rights away

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

You did the right thing, I feel for you both.

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[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mildly infuriating?

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, if a nation wants to fight a big war within 15 years, first they need to grow soldiers, right?

if they ban abortion and then set up a pipeline from orphanages to army then you get a lot of jackboots in 15ish years

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't think the US flights ground wars. We're more about drones now. I'm thinking this is cheap labor for the farms once we kick out the foreigners.

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[–] Tot@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

"abortion pill reversal" sounded like bullshit to me, so I looked it up.

Here's what ACOG has to say: Facts Are Important: Medication Abortion "Reversal" Is Not Supported by Science

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

credit for this post to : @denimaww@lemmy.world

Hi Denimaww,

i saw that you made the above post into the "politics" community which has rules preventing posting anything that is not based on a newspaper article. This must be why it was removed in that community and which is why i recuperated your post and gave you credit in this community here. Also, i see that you are new to Lemmy and i wish to welcome you here. This sites' learning curve could be a bit steep. Please don't hesitate to ask for advice.

Take care 😌

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

if only the government had an 'efficiency' expert on staff.. one would expect their evaluation of this proposal to be something like this:

we already have a long-time, trusted nationwide network of health care clinics.. for women (and men).. that provides reproductive care (and more). absolutely no sense in reinventing the wheel, when this one has been going for 108 years. the easiest, cheapest, and most efficient thing to do would be to toss them some federal funds every year, let them provide the care that's needed--where it's needed, and stay the fuck out of the exam room and out of their way.

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[–] seven_phone@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is not hippocratic or woman centred and you said tremendous twice within ten words you crazy sods.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well....now guys, we must not have sex with women. We should have clubs where we help each other thru the power of masturbation.

We're doing this for you women! And we're chopping our balls off...America's got talent never heard notes as high as we'll have in the next few years!

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[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Currently this abortion info/help community seems defunct, but it might be worth trying to revive in some manner. I don’t have time right this moment, but it’s something I’ll look into helping with in the near future (like next week):

https://lemmy.ml/c/auntienetwork

(I’m not sure how linking on Lemmy works yet, so hopefully that comes through ok.)

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Americans voted for this, so i guess they get what they wanted

[–] lenz@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That’s it! In getting sterilized.

[–] Epzillon@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

The booklet has the "encouraged" procedures section where they state "sterilization reversal" which is just wild

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Admittedly didn’t read the whole thing but this looks like they want to pay for pro-life centers everywhere. I don’t see anything about restricting care, except for scamming people into walking into a pro-life center pretending to be a medical center.

Even today’s partisan court has to balk at government spending money on something that appears to be religion based, right? Right?

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